From: kiasoc5 <kiasoc5@disroot.org>
To: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>, guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Packages grow, no longer fit on a 💾
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 00:51:10 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ab576627-535f-1d88-2fa1-ada82fbde93c@disroot.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tu0s7otg.fsf@inria.fr>
On 1/14/23 17:07, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Over the course of a few years, the size of our packages has apparently
> kept growing. Example:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> $ guix time-machine --commit=v1.2.0 -- size emacs
> store item total self
> /gnu/store/118xpdazyylxa1rlc68h9lmh38vhxrb4-llvm-10.0.0 210.8 139.3 16.2%
> /gnu/store/1qmd9achfkm1njzxf8hi86q53pmy9sxk-mesa-20.0.7 369.2 131.3 15.3%
> /gnu/store/d83hc7cqgnhl1vlz1rv4ibkvaqaq2g35-emacs-27.1 859.7 106.2 12.4%
> /gnu/store/18hp7flyb3yid3yp49i6qcdq0sbi5l1n-guile-3.0.2 132.8 53.2 6.2%
> /gnu/store/9lckq1194qcy4a7kv8bihagd58shj7yr-gtk+-3.24.20 723.7 49.0 5.7%
> /gnu/store/qizplwwgqwyq6qmz1i6jlaib5kgzrgwq-icu4c-66.1 110.2 38.1 4.4%
> /gnu/store/fa6wj5bxkj5ll1d7292a70knmyl7a0cr-glibc-2.31 38.4 36.7 4.3%
> […]
> total: 859.7 MiB
> $ guix time-machine --commit=v1.3.0 -- size emacs
> store item total self
> /gnu/store/g3idjpqsp2p2d163qfzskxj4k58nrx7f-llvm-11.0.0 220.0 148.6 16.9%
> /gnu/store/jf269s6clr6r57p8v5c3c1qkyra6apq2-mesa-20.2.4 389.1 141.6 16.1%
> /gnu/store/7nlq2v4000pw8vgj3m4vrwz072ib58xh-emacs-27.2 880.5 106.4 12.1%
> /gnu/store/18hp7flyb3yid3yp49i6qcdq0sbi5l1n-guile-3.0.2 132.8 53.2 6.0%
> /gnu/store/czf23hay13pp25yzrb4yq3n4gcri5r70-gtk+-3.24.24 744.3 49.1 5.6%
> /gnu/store/2wqjj3mkqdvsvksndr2hpjpi7qqwi7kr-icu4c-66.1 110.2 38.1 4.3%
> /gnu/store/fa6wj5bxkj5ll1d7292a70knmyl7a0cr-glibc-2.31 38.4 36.7 4.2%
> […]
> total: 880.5 MiB
> $ guix time-machine --commit=v1.4.0 -- size emacs
> store item total self
> /gnu/store/i11jmrc90drpx9mc6cyb6s4pjny91qx6-emacs-28.2 1592.7 250.6 15.7%
> /gnu/store/sdzfljm6san79pqiy42yp0nzmkr2bafc-mesa-21.3.8 411.6 169.6 10.6%
> /gnu/store/6pdzpmxg5afzss6dlivq8z84sfa31x22-llvm-11.0.0 221.5 149.5 9.4%
> /gnu/store/lphzb1z0r4kbb453rsvnw7msrxxzp5r7-libgccjit-10.3.0 244.8 128.5 8.1%
> /gnu/store/pfas3c4lhr1jwkj2gl0yx8dg4xjjlp4r-mozjs-91.13.0 261.2 65.4 4.1%
> /gnu/store/hy6abswwv4d89zp464fw52z65fkzr7h5-perl-5.34.0 147.7 58.6 3.7%
> /gnu/store/zyqimpkmpffc24nwwqp46cicj8ss85y5-binutils-2.37 126.0 54.4 3.4%
> /gnu/store/cnfsv9ywaacyafkqdqsv2ry8f01yr7a9-guile-3.0.7 129.1 52.0 3.3%
> /gnu/store/4aq7hw017s9ihpm1rxpwfz28c80569z9-gtk+-3.24.30 1002.2 48.6 3.1%
> /gnu/store/vaxkf8cbc7slgc3ikm5qr3815wih93w8-ghostscript-with-cups-9.54.0 219.1 39.1 2.5%
> /gnu/store/bjycxjjkp1da53ijsa4hfdrz9mcgg55h-icu4c-69.1 110.7 38.0 2.4%
> /gnu/store/ayc9r7162rphy4zjw8ch01pmyh214h82-glibc-2.33 76.6 36.6 2.3%
> […]
> total: 1592.7 MiB
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> I think something went wrong here. :-)
Maybe it is Emacs itself growing over time.
> In particular with Emacs itself (due to JIT + dependency on libgccjit,
> Binutils, etc.?) and with GTK+ (due to mozjs in polkit?).
If we look at emacs-next-pgtk, not only does it have JIT and PGTK, it
also has xwidgets enabled, so it pulls in webkitgtk! Very big.
> And then MESA and LLVM have always been problematically big.
>
> We should do better. I mean, it’s just a text editor, isn’t it?
It's an Lisp machine with a text editor! :)
We could have variants for building with the athena/motif toolkit so
that we don't use GTK.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-01-15 5:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-01-14 22:07 Packages grow, no longer fit on a 💾 Ludovic Courtès
2023-01-15 5:51 ` kiasoc5 [this message]
2023-01-15 8:07 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-01-16 2:09 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-01-16 5:17 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-01-16 13:27 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-01-17 16:15 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-01-15 12:56 ` Akib Azmain Turja
2023-01-15 17:00 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2023-01-17 16:25 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-01-17 23:05 ` zimoun
2023-01-17 23:49 ` zimoun
2023-01-18 21:04 ` Grandfathering store paths considered harmful (was: Packages grow, no longer fit on a 💾) Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-01-19 14:28 ` Grandfathering store paths considered harmful Ludovic Courtès
2023-01-19 18:10 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-01-19 14:14 ` Packages grow, no longer fit on a 💾 Ludovic Courtès
2023-01-20 10:51 ` Simon Tournier
2023-01-20 14:54 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-01-18 2:41 ` kiasoc5
2023-01-18 8:43 ` indieterminacy
2023-01-19 14:32 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-01-20 11:06 ` Simon Tournier
2023-01-17 8:06 ` Efraim Flashner
2023-01-17 16:18 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-01-17 21:54 ` John Kehayias
2023-01-19 15:30 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2023-01-17 15:06 ` Simon Tournier
2023-01-19 14:34 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-01-18 20:44 ` Paul Jewell via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-01-19 13:04 ` Joshua Branson
2023-01-19 14:37 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-01-19 16:12 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2023-01-19 18:07 ` Akib Azmain Turja
2023-01-20 15:30 ` Csepp
2023-01-20 17:34 ` Akib Azmain Turja
2023-01-21 12:29 ` bokr
2023-01-21 15:55 ` Akib Azmain Turja
2023-01-20 12:11 ` Simon Tournier
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