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* GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.16.0 released
@ 2018-12-06 17:09 Ludovic Courtès
  2018-12-06 17:23 ` Pierre Neidhardt
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  0 siblings, 4 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2018-12-06 17:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: info-guix, guix-devel, help-guix, gnu-system-discuss, info-gnu,
	guile-user

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We are pleased to announce the release of GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.16.0,
representing 4,515 commits by 95 people over 5 months.

This is hopefully the last release before 1.0.

• About

  GNU Guix is a transactional package manager for the GNU system.
  The Guix System Distribution, GuixSD, is an advanced distribution
  of the GNU system.

  In addition to standard package management features, Guix supports
  transactional upgrades and roll-backs, unprivileged package
  management, and per-user profiles.  GuixSD offers a declarative
  approach to operating system configuration management and is highly
  hackable.  Guix uses low-level mechanisms from the Nix package
  manager, except that packages are defined as native Guile modules,
  using extensions to the Scheme language.

  GuixSD uses the Linux-Libre kernel and the GNU Shepherd init system.
  It can be used on an i686, x86_64, armv7, or aarch64 machine.

  It is also possible to use Guix on top of an already installed
  GNU/Linux system, including on armv7, aarch64, and mips64el.

  https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/

• Download

  Here are the compressed sources and a GPG detached signature[*]:
    https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/guix/guix-0.16.0.tar.gz
    https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/guix/guix-0.16.0.tar.gz.sig

  Here are the bootable USB installation images and their signatures[*]:
    https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/guix/guixsd-install-0.16.0.i686-linux.iso.xz
    https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/guix/guixsd-install-0.16.0.i686-linux.iso.xz.sig
    https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/guix/guixsd-install-0.16.0.x86_64-linux.iso.xz
    https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/guix/guixsd-install-0.16.0.x86_64-linux.iso.xz.sig

  Here is the QCOW2 virtual machine (VM) image and its signature:
    https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/guix/guixsd-vm-image-0.16.0.x86_64-linux.xz
    https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/guix/guixsd-vm-image-0.16.0.x86_64-linux.xz.sig

  Here are the binary tarballs and their signatures[*]:
    https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/guix/guix-binary-0.16.0.i686-linux.tar.xz
    https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/guix/guix-binary-0.16.0.i686-linux.tar.xz.sig
    https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/guix/guix-binary-0.16.0.x86_64-linux.tar.xz
    https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/guix/guix-binary-0.16.0.x86_64-linux.tar.xz.sig
    https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/guix/guix-binary-0.16.0.armhf-linux.tar.xz
    https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/guix/guix-binary-0.16.0.armhf-linux.tar.xz.sig
    https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/guix/guix-binary-0.16.0.aarch64-linux.tar.xz
    https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/guix/guix-binary-0.16.0.aarch64-linux.tar.xz.sig

  Use a mirror for higher download bandwidth:
    http://www.gnu.org/order/ftp.html
  
  Here are the SHA1 checksums:

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  5e0fa514a5362e1874affe8165dd76e02d515da4  guixsd-vm-image-0.16.0.x86_64-linux.xz
  ecfbe5db25aff2c6dbc62b7372afb7452f940d57  guixsd-vm-image-0.16.0.x86_64-linux.xz.sig
  
  [*] Use a .sig file to verify that the corresponding file (without the
  .sig suffix) is intact.  First, be sure to download both the .sig file
  and the corresponding tarball.  Then, run a command like this:
  
    gpg --verify guix-0.16.0.tar.gz.sig
  
  If that command fails because you don't have the required public key,
  then run this command to import it:
  
    gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net \
        --recv-keys 3CE464558A84FDC69DB40CFB090B11993D9AEBB5
  
  and rerun the 'gpg --verify' command.
  
  This release was bootstrapped with the following tools:
    Autoconf 2.69
    Automake 1.16.1
    Makeinfo 6.5
    Help2man 1.47.8

  To install the Guix System Distribution, please see “System
  Installation” in the manual.  To install Guix on a running system,
  see “Installation” in the manual.

• Changes since version 0.15.0 (excerpt from the NEWS file)

  ** Package management

  *** Default substitute URL changed to https://ci.guix.info
  *** ‘guix pull -l’ lists new and upgraded packages
  *** ‘guix pull’ now supports channels via ~/.config/guix/channels.scm
  *** New ‘--profile’ or ‘-p’ option for ‘guix pull’
  *** ~/.config/guix/current is now a symlink to /var/guix/profiles
  *** New ‘guix describe’ command
  *** ‘guix package’ no longer shows build logs by default
  *** ‘guix’ commands now produce colored output by default
  *** User interface now reports grafts separately
  *** Manifests can now refer to arbitrary Guix commits using “inferiors”
  *** New ‘--with-branch’ and ‘--with-commit’ package transformation options
  *** ‘guix build -f’ now accepts any kind of “file-like object”
  *** Git checkouts may now be fetched from Software Heritage
  *** New ‘guix repl’ command for use by inferiors
  *** New ‘guix processes’ command
  *** ‘guix pack’ now honors ‘--localstatedir’ for all its backends
  *** New ‘opam’ importer for ‘guix import’
  *** ‘guix import pypi’ has a new ‘--recursive’ option
  *** ‘guix import hackage’ has a new ‘--recursive’ option
  *** ‘guix import stackage’ has a new ‘--recursive’ option
  The short option for ‘--lts-version’ is now ‘-l’ (used to be ‘-r’).
  *** ‘guix refresh’ now stores upstream keys in ~/.config/guix/upstream
  *** Guix now depends on Guile-Gcrypt
  *** Guix now requires Guile-JSON

  ** Distribution

  *** Rust is now bootstrapped from mrustc
  *** The GNU Shepherd was upgraded to 0.5.0
  *** ‘guix system reconfigure’ now loads Shepherd service replacements
  *** ‘herd schedule mcron’ now displays mcron’s job schedule
  *** ‘herd statistics nscd’ now displays nscd statistics
  *** ‘herd invalidate nscd TABLE’ instructs nscd to invalidate TABLE
  *** New services

  ddclient, gitolite, iptables, pcscd, prometheus-node-exporter, varnish

  *** 985 new packages
  *** 1945 package updates

  Noteworthy updates:
  bash 4.4.23, binutils 2.31.1, cups 2.2.8, enlightenment 0.22.4, gcc 8.2.0,
  gdb 8.2, ghc 8.4.3, gimp 2.10.6, glibc 2.28, gnupg 2.2.11, go 1.11.1,
  guile 2.2.4, icecat 60.3.0-gnu1, icedtea 3.7.0, libreoffice 6.1.3.2,
  linux-libre 4.19.6, ocaml 4.07.1, octave 4.4.1, perl 5.28.0,
  python2 2.7.15, python 3.7.0, racket 7.0, rust 1.28.0, r 3.5.1,
  sbcl 1.4.13, shepherd 0.5.0, xorg-server 1.20.3

  ** Programming interfaces

  *** New (guix channels) module, see “Channels” in the manual
  *** New (guix inferior) module, see “Inferiors” in the manual
  *** New (guix describe) module, used by ‘guix describe’
  *** New (guix status) module, for build progress reporting
  *** ‘packages->manifest’ now accepts inferior packages
  *** New build systems: ‘clojure’, ‘guile’
  *** New ‘git-checkout’ record constructor in (guix git)
  *** Shepherd services can now declare custom actions
  *** More of the (gnu system …) APIs are now non-monadic
  *** New ‘add-file-tree-to-store’ procedure in (guix store)
  *** New (guix swh) module to access Software Heritage
  *** New (guix build debug-link) module, for ELF ‘.gnu_debuglink’ sections

  ** Noteworthy bug fixes

  *** Fix GCC crashes caused by a patch of ours (<https://bugs.gnu.org/31708>)
  *** ‘guix import hackage’ now supports ‘custom-setup’ field
      (<https://bugs.gnu.org/23961>)
  *** ‘guix-daemon’ taken from ‘guix pull’ looks up ‘guix’ in the right place
      (<https://bugs.gnu.org/32183>)
  *** Try several file names when looking up kernel modules
      (<https://bugs.gnu.org/31714>)
  *** ‘file-system-*’ services are now always started after ‘udev’
      (<https://bugs.gnu.org/32313>)
  *** Racket now ignores bytecode checksums for files in the store
      (<https://bugs.gnu.org/30680>)
  *** Grafting now updates CRCs in ‘.gnu_debuglink’ ELF sections
      (<https://bugs.gnu.org/19973>)
  *** UUID computation for VMs is now deterministic (<https://bugs.gnu.org/32652>)
  *** ‘git-predicate’ from (guix git) now uses Guile-Git, which fixes corner cases
      (<https://bugs.gnu.org/27925>)
  *** (guix store database) registers each store item only once
      (<https://bugs.gnu.org/32600>)
  *** The File > Open dialog in LibreOffice no longer triggers a crash
      (<https://bugs.gnu.org/30642>)
  *** Account home directory is always honored (<https://bugs.gnu.org/33422>)

  ** Native language support

  *** The manual is now partially translated into German, in addition to French

  To read the German manual, just type “info guix.de” or read it on-line at
  <https://gnu.org/s/guix/manual/de/html_node>.  Consider translating the manual
  to your native language by joining the Translation Project:
  <https://translationproject.org/domain/guix-manual.html>.

  *** Updated translations: da, de, fr

Please report bugs to bug-guix@gnu.org
Join guix-devel@gnu.org and #guix on Freenode for discussions.

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this release:

     1	43317
     2	Alex Branham
     8	Alex Kost
    28	Alex Vong
     2	Alex ter Weele
     3	Amirouche Boubekki
    10	Andreas Enge
     6	Andy Patterson
     1	Anonymous
    49	Arun Isaac
    12	Ben Woodcroft
     3	Benjamin Slade
    18	Björn Höfling
     4	Brendan Tildesley
     6	Brett Gilio
     1	Carlo Zancanaro
     9	Chris Marusich
    29	Christopher Baines
     5	Christopher Lemmer Webber
    30	Clément Lassieur
    82	Danny Milosavljevic
     5	David Thompson
     1	Diego Nicola Barbato
   208	Efraim Flashner
    53	Eric Bavier
     4	Eric Brown
     1	EuAndreh
     1	Florian Pelz
     1	Giovanni Biscuolo
     9	Gábor Boskovits
     1	HiPhish
     1	Ison111
     3	Jack Hill
    10	Jan Nieuwenhuizen
     6	Jelle Licht
     4	Jonathan Brielmaier
     2	Jovany Leandro G.C
     1	Julian Graham
    95	Julien Lepiller
     2	Katherine Cox-Buday
    49	Kei Kebreau
     1	Kenny Ballou
     4	Konrad Hinsen
     9	Kyle Meyer
     4	Laura Lazzati
   157	Leo Famulari
   408	Ludovic Courtès
     4	Luther Thompson
     1	Madalin Ionel-Patrascu
     2	Manuel Graf
   610	Marius Bakke
   165	Mark H Weaver
     2	Mark Meyer
     6	Mathieu Lirzin
     8	Mathieu Othacehe
    22	Maxim Cournoyer
    47	Meiyo Peng
     1	Miguel Ángel Arruga Vivas
     4	Mădălin Ionel Patrașcu
     3	Nam Nguyen
    38	Nicolas Goaziou
     4	Nikolai Merinov
     7	Nils Gillmann
    39	Oleg Pykhalov
    22	Paul Garlick
     6	Pierre Langlois
   222	Pierre Neidhardt
    10	Pierre-Antoine Rouby
     2	Pjotr Prins
     2	Pkill -9
     2	Raphaël Mélotte
   874	Ricardo Wurmus
     1	Robin Templeton
    16	Roel Janssen
    62	Rutger Helling
     1	Sahithi Yarlagadda
     1	Sergei Trofimovich
     1	Simon Josefsson
    13	Sou Bunnbu (宋文武)
     3	Stefan Stefanović
     1	Taegil Bae
     7	Theodoros Foradis
     5	Thorsten Wilms
     8	Tim Gesthuizen
     4	Timo Eisenmann
   258	Timothy Sample
   613	Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
     1	Tomáš Čech
    14	Vagrant Cascadian
     4	Vasile Dumitrascu
     4	fis trivial
     1	lakshmi
     1	nixo
    43	pimi
     1	swedebugia

Ludovic, on behalf of the Guix team.

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* Re: GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.16.0 released
  2018-12-06 17:09 GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.16.0 released Ludovic Courtès
@ 2018-12-06 17:23 ` Pierre Neidhardt
  2018-12-07  7:06 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
                   ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-12-06 17:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès
  Cc: info-gnu, help-guix, guix-devel, gnu-system-discuss, guile-user,
	info-guix

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Fantastic!!!

-- 
Pierre Neidhardt
https://ambrevar.xyz/

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* Re: GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.16.0 released
  2018-12-06 17:09 GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.16.0 released Ludovic Courtès
  2018-12-06 17:23 ` Pierre Neidhardt
@ 2018-12-07  7:06 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
  2018-12-07 12:20   ` Pjotr Prins
  2018-12-07 11:07 ` L p R n d n
  2018-12-10  4:02 ` Pjotr Prins
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice @ 2018-12-07  7:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès
  Cc: info-gnu, help-guix, guix-devel, gnu-system-discuss, guile-user,
	info-guix

Everyone,

Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> We are pleased to announce the release of GNU Guix & GuixSD 
> 0.16.0,
> representing 4,515 commits by 95 people over 5 months.

Thank you, all 94 of you wonderful people, and all who commited 
other things than code.

T G-R

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* Re: GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.16.0 released
  2018-12-06 17:09 GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.16.0 released Ludovic Courtès
  2018-12-06 17:23 ` Pierre Neidhardt
  2018-12-07  7:06 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
@ 2018-12-07 11:07 ` L p R n d n
  2018-12-10  4:02 ` Pjotr Prins
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: L p R n d n @ 2018-12-07 11:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: guix-devel


Congrats Guix!
And thanks everyone for the good work! :)

Lprndn

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* Re: GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.16.0 released
  2018-12-07  7:06 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
@ 2018-12-07 12:20   ` Pjotr Prins
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Pjotr Prins @ 2018-12-07 12:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
  Cc: info-gnu, help-guix, guix-devel, gnu-system-discuss, guile-user,
	info-guix

We should advertise those numbers on the front page. This is a big
project now.

On Fri, Dec 07, 2018 at 08:06:23AM +0100, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wrote:
> Everyone,
> 
> Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> > We are pleased to announce the release of GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.16.0,
> > representing 4,515 commits by 95 people over 5 months.
> 
> Thank you, all 94 of you wonderful people, and all who commited other things
> than code.
> 
> T G-R
> 

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* Re: GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.16.0 released
  2018-12-06 17:09 GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.16.0 released Ludovic Courtès
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2018-12-07 11:07 ` L p R n d n
@ 2018-12-10  4:02 ` Pjotr Prins
  2018-12-14 10:20   ` Ludovic Courtès
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Pjotr Prins @ 2018-12-10  4:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: guix-devel

Yesterday I gave a passionate 'I love Guix' lightning talk about Guix
packages at the biohackathon in Japan. Many people after approached me
and said that the website is confusing them because it looks like it
is promoting a Linux distribution... I know this is an old topic, but
it would be nice if we found a way to promote Guix packaging as it
works so well outside GuixSD.

Pj.

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* Re: GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.16.0 released
  2018-12-10  4:02 ` Pjotr Prins
@ 2018-12-14 10:20   ` Ludovic Courtès
  2018-12-14 14:15     ` Giovanni Biscuolo
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2018-12-14 10:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Pjotr Prins; +Cc: guix-devel

Hi!

Pjotr Prins <pjotr.public12@thebird.nl> skribis:

> Yesterday I gave a passionate 'I love Guix' lightning talk about Guix
> packages at the biohackathon in Japan. Many people after approached me
> and said that the website is confusing them because it looks like it
> is promoting a Linux distribution... I know this is an old topic, but
> it would be nice if we found a way to promote Guix packaging as it
> works so well outside GuixSD.

Yes, that should be a nice side-effect of calling everything “Guix”.

Ludo’.

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* Re: GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.16.0 released
  2018-12-14 10:20   ` Ludovic Courtès
@ 2018-12-14 14:15     ` Giovanni Biscuolo
  2018-12-15 18:03       ` Ludovic Courtès
  2018-12-16 10:06       ` Ricardo Wurmus
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Giovanni Biscuolo @ 2018-12-14 14:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès, Pjotr Prins; +Cc: guix-devel

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Hi!

Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:

> Pjotr Prins <pjotr.public12@thebird.nl> skribis:
>
>> Yesterday I gave a passionate 'I love Guix' lightning talk about Guix
>> packages at the biohackathon in Japan. Many people after approached me
>> and said that the website is confusing them because it looks like it
>> is promoting a Linux distribution... I know this is an old topic, but
>> it would be nice if we found a way to promote Guix packaging as it
>> works so well outside GuixSD.
>
> Yes, that should be a nice side-effect of calling everything “Guix”.

does this mean that "guix system" is capable of
instantiating/reconfiguring an operating-system declaration (services
included) even outside GuixSD?

AFAIK for this we need Sheperd as PID 1 and I do not know how I can get
it on a systemd based (or any other different PID 1) distro

do we need a FAQ on https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/, the first may be
"What is the difference between GuixSD and Guix"?

thanks!
Gio

-- 
Giovanni Biscuolo

Xelera IT Infrastructures

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* Re: GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.16.0 released
  2018-12-14 14:15     ` Giovanni Biscuolo
@ 2018-12-15 18:03       ` Ludovic Courtès
  2018-12-16 10:06       ` Ricardo Wurmus
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2018-12-15 18:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Giovanni Biscuolo; +Cc: guix-devel

Hello,

Giovanni Biscuolo <g@xelera.eu> skribis:

> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Pjotr Prins <pjotr.public12@thebird.nl> skribis:
>>
>>> Yesterday I gave a passionate 'I love Guix' lightning talk about Guix
>>> packages at the biohackathon in Japan. Many people after approached me
>>> and said that the website is confusing them because it looks like it
>>> is promoting a Linux distribution... I know this is an old topic, but
>>> it would be nice if we found a way to promote Guix packaging as it
>>> works so well outside GuixSD.
>>
>> Yes, that should be a nice side-effect of calling everything “Guix”.
>
> does this mean that "guix system" is capable of
> instantiating/reconfiguring an operating-system declaration (services
> included) even outside GuixSD?
>
> AFAIK for this we need Sheperd as PID 1 and I do not know how I can get
> it on a systemd based (or any other different PID 1) distro

The only thing that doesn’t work on a foreign distro is ‘guix system
reconfigure’, understandably.  The rest works exactly the same way.

Ludo’.

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* Re: GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.16.0 released
  2018-12-14 14:15     ` Giovanni Biscuolo
  2018-12-15 18:03       ` Ludovic Courtès
@ 2018-12-16 10:06       ` Ricardo Wurmus
  2018-12-16 12:42         ` Giovanni Biscuolo
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Ricardo Wurmus @ 2018-12-16 10:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Giovanni Biscuolo; +Cc: guix-devel


Hi Giovanni,

> does this mean that "guix system" is capable of
> instantiating/reconfiguring an operating-system declaration (services
> included) even outside GuixSD?

“guix system init” is what I used to transform foreign distros into
GuixSD.  It does not need to be run on a GuixSD installer system.

> do we need a FAQ on https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/, the first may be
> "What is the difference between GuixSD and Guix"?

I’d prefer not to strengthen the distinction at all (which would be a
side-effect of documenting it) and rather smoothen the bump between the
“full Guix system” and just “Guix on a foreign distro”.

“guix system vm” breaks the distinction: it is a full Guix system but
built on top of a foreign distro.  Using the term “Guix system” is
clearer for all but one case where the “guix system” commands are used.

--
Ricardo

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* Re: GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.16.0 released
  2018-12-16 10:06       ` Ricardo Wurmus
@ 2018-12-16 12:42         ` Giovanni Biscuolo
  2018-12-16 14:11           ` George Clemmer
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Giovanni Biscuolo @ 2018-12-16 12:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ricardo Wurmus; +Cc: guix-devel

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Hi all,

thanks for your patience, I realize this could be the N-th time
arguments like this are discussed here

and thank you Ludovic and Ricardo for clarifying

Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> writes:

>> does this mean that "guix system" is capable of
>> instantiating/reconfiguring an operating-system declaration (services
>> included) even outside GuixSD?
>
> “guix system init” is what I used to transform foreign distros into
> GuixSD.  It does not need to be run on a GuixSD installer system.

wow! you dumbed me :-O

you mean: live?
...I mean "sudo guix system init /etc/config.scm / && sudo reboot" ?

I have to test this installation path (including what happens if
anything goes wrong after reboot): it's awesome

IMHO this method deserves a dedicated section in 6.1 "system
installation" chapter of our manual, something titled "Advanced system
installation"

>> do we need a FAQ on https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/, the first may be
>> "What is the difference between GuixSD and Guix"?
>
> I’d prefer not to strengthen the distinction at all (which would be a
> side-effect of documenting it)

...and we want purely funcional documentation... ehrm :-)

seriously: I agree with your preference not to strengthen this
distinction, but we should find a way to "document this discussion"
(possibly already made more than once in the past)

I admit I still have to read all the manual (I started from chapter 6,
then went back to 2 and now studying 4 and 5) but this "class of
arguments" are missing: or did I miss them?

I'm sure this have already been discussed in the past, but what about to
collect interesting notes already made (I know some, sure I'm missing
many) in an official "wiki-like" documentation?

> and rather smoothen the bump between the
> “full Guix system” and just “Guix on a foreign distro”.

it definitely makes sense: +1

AFAIU the "only bump" to get a full Guix *host* system is to
replace PID1 with shepherd (done by guix system init), right?

> “guix system vm” breaks the distinction: it is a full Guix system but
> built on top of a foreign distro.

*O*M*G*: you dumbed me twice now =-O

this is obviously valid for "guix system container", too: right?

I was searching for a method to bootstrap a cointainer (in contrast to a
full VM) with a full Guix system using Debian with lxc... but the
answer is "don't use lxc", use "guix system container" instead

this will _drammatically_ boost my ability to deploy *native* Guix
system services on foregin distros, possibly _migrating_ the ones run by
foregin distro to a Guix system container

moreover, "guix system vm" IMHO is a much more powerful method to
install and run a VM [1] than the currently documented one:
https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/manual/en/html_node/Installing-GuixSD-in-a-VM.html
and https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/manual/en/html_node/Running-GuixSD-in-a-VM.html#Running-GuixSD-in-a-VM

what do you think about this?

> Using the term “Guix system” is clearer for all but one case where the
> “guix system” commands are used.

I don't fully understand this: what is that one case, plz?

thanks!
Giovanni

[1] often needed on a foregin distro for testing or migration purposes,
like in my case

-- 
Giovanni Biscuolo

Xelera IT Infrastructures

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* Re: GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.16.0 released
  2018-12-16 12:42         ` Giovanni Biscuolo
@ 2018-12-16 14:11           ` George Clemmer
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: George Clemmer @ 2018-12-16 14:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Giovanni Biscuolo; +Cc: guix-devel


Giovanni Biscuolo <g@xelera.eu> writes:

> Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> writes:
>
>>> does this mean that "guix system" is capable of
>>> instantiating/reconfiguring an operating-system declaration (services
>>> included) even outside GuixSD?
>>
>> “guix system init” is what I used to transform foreign distros into
>> GuixSD.  It does not need to be run on a GuixSD installer system.
>
> wow! you dumbed me :-O
>
> you mean: live?
> ...I mean "sudo guix system init /etc/config.scm / && sudo reboot" ?
>
> I have to test this installation path (including what happens if
> anything goes wrong after reboot): it's awesome
>
> IMHO this method deserves a dedicated section in 6.1 "system
> installation" chapter of our manual, something titled "Advanced system
> installation"

You might find this useful ...

Re: Guix vs GuixSD - upgrade Debian to Guix:

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2016-03/msg00354.html

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2018-12-07  7:06 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-12-07 12:20   ` Pjotr Prins
2018-12-07 11:07 ` L p R n d n
2018-12-10  4:02 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-12-14 10:20   ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-14 14:15     ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2018-12-15 18:03       ` Ludovic Courtès
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2018-12-16 12:42         ` Giovanni Biscuolo
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