* glibc-locales
@ 2022-07-03 8:53 Efraim Flashner
2022-07-03 9:53 ` glibc-locales Efraim Flashner
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Efraim Flashner @ 2022-07-03 8:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: guix-devel
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The package glibc-locales and glibc-locales-2.32 are nearly identical
according to diffoscope.
(ins)efraim@3900XT ~$ guix shell diffoscope -- diffoscope /gnu/store/ixzmi6614baf4w37qfjgqrv8hwsl8jcv-glibc-locales-2.33 /gnu/store/zrq9pr31wl128y6nwyh2022i9jqxazpz-glibc-locales-2.32-2.32
--- /gnu/store/ixzmi6614baf4w37qfjgqrv8hwsl8jcv-glibc-locales-2.33
+++ /gnu/store/zrq9pr31wl128y6nwyh2022i9jqxazpz-glibc-locales-2.32-2.32
│ --- /gnu/store/ixzmi6614baf4w37qfjgqrv8hwsl8jcv-glibc-locales-2.33/lib
├── +++ /gnu/store/zrq9pr31wl128y6nwyh2022i9jqxazpz-glibc-locales-2.32-2.32/lib
│ │ --- /gnu/store/ixzmi6614baf4w37qfjgqrv8hwsl8jcv-glibc-locales-2.33/lib/locale
│ ├── +++ /gnu/store/zrq9pr31wl128y6nwyh2022i9jqxazpz-glibc-locales-2.32-2.32/lib/locale
│ │ ├── file list
│ │ │ @@ -1 +1 @@
│ │ │ -2.33
│ │ │ +2.32
│ --- /gnu/store/ixzmi6614baf4w37qfjgqrv8hwsl8jcv-glibc-locales-2.33/share
├── +++ /gnu/store/zrq9pr31wl128y6nwyh2022i9jqxazpz-glibc-locales-2.32-2.32/share
│ │ --- /gnu/store/ixzmi6614baf4w37qfjgqrv8hwsl8jcv-glibc-locales-2.33/share/doc
│ ├── +++ /gnu/store/zrq9pr31wl128y6nwyh2022i9jqxazpz-glibc-locales-2.32-2.32/share/doc
│ │ ├── file list
│ │ │ @@ -1 +1 @@
│ │ │ -glibc-locales-2.33
│ │ │ +glibc-locales-2.32-2.32
│ │ ├── /gnu/store/8fpk2cja3f07xls48jfnpgrzrljpqivr-coreutils-8.32/bin/stat {}
│ │ │ @@ -1,8 +1,8 @@
│ │ │
│ │ │ - Size: 36 Blocks: 0 IO Block: 4096 directory
│ │ │ + Size: 46 Blocks: 0 IO Block: 4096 directory
│ │ │ Links: 1
│ │ │ Access: (0555/dr-xr-xr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root)
│ │ │
│ │ │ Modify: 1970-01-01 00:00:01.000000000 +0000
│ │ ├── /gnu/store/8fpk2cja3f07xls48jfnpgrzrljpqivr-coreutils-8.32/bin/stat {}
│ │ │ @@ -1,8 +1,8 @@
│ │ │
│ │ │ + Size: 46 Blocks: 0 IO Block: 4096 directory
│ │ │ - Size: 36 Blocks: 0 IO Block: 4096 directory
│ │ │ Links: 1
│ │ │ Access: (0555/dr-xr-xr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root)
│ │ │
│ │ │ Modify: 1970-01-01 00:00:01.000000000 +0000
So while it would be nice to build glibc-locales-2.32 with glibc-2.33 I
don't think it's actually in use anywhere since IIRC we jumped from 2.31
to 2.33.
Also, for 2.33 I'd like to build it with glibc-final. glibc-locales
doesn't retain a reference to any packages and it would reduce an
instance of using an "extra" glibc when there's already one in the build
environment.
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2022-07-03 8:53 glibc-locales Efraim Flashner
@ 2022-07-03 9:53 ` Efraim Flashner
2022-07-03 11:35 ` glibc-locales Andreas Enge
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From: Efraim Flashner @ 2022-07-03 9:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: guix-devel
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On Sun, Jul 03, 2022 at 11:53:45AM +0300, Efraim Flashner wrote:
> The package glibc-locales and glibc-locales-2.32 are nearly identical
> according to diffoscope.
>
> (ins)efraim@3900XT ~$ guix shell diffoscope -- diffoscope /gnu/store/ixzmi6614baf4w37qfjgqrv8hwsl8jcv-glibc-locales-2.33 /gnu/store/zrq9pr31wl128y6nwyh2022i9jqxazpz-glibc-locales-2.32-2.32
> --- /gnu/store/ixzmi6614baf4w37qfjgqrv8hwsl8jcv-glibc-locales-2.33
> +++ /gnu/store/zrq9pr31wl128y6nwyh2022i9jqxazpz-glibc-locales-2.32-2.32
> │ --- /gnu/store/ixzmi6614baf4w37qfjgqrv8hwsl8jcv-glibc-locales-2.33/lib
> ├── +++ /gnu/store/zrq9pr31wl128y6nwyh2022i9jqxazpz-glibc-locales-2.32-2.32/lib
> │ │ --- /gnu/store/ixzmi6614baf4w37qfjgqrv8hwsl8jcv-glibc-locales-2.33/lib/locale
> │ ├── +++ /gnu/store/zrq9pr31wl128y6nwyh2022i9jqxazpz-glibc-locales-2.32-2.32/lib/locale
> │ │ ├── file list
> │ │ │ @@ -1 +1 @@
> │ │ │ -2.33
> │ │ │ +2.32
> │ --- /gnu/store/ixzmi6614baf4w37qfjgqrv8hwsl8jcv-glibc-locales-2.33/share
> ├── +++ /gnu/store/zrq9pr31wl128y6nwyh2022i9jqxazpz-glibc-locales-2.32-2.32/share
> │ │ --- /gnu/store/ixzmi6614baf4w37qfjgqrv8hwsl8jcv-glibc-locales-2.33/share/doc
> │ ├── +++ /gnu/store/zrq9pr31wl128y6nwyh2022i9jqxazpz-glibc-locales-2.32-2.32/share/doc
> │ │ ├── file list
> │ │ │ @@ -1 +1 @@
> │ │ │ -glibc-locales-2.33
> │ │ │ +glibc-locales-2.32-2.32
> │ │ ├── /gnu/store/8fpk2cja3f07xls48jfnpgrzrljpqivr-coreutils-8.32/bin/stat {}
> │ │ │ @@ -1,8 +1,8 @@
> │ │ │
> │ │ │ - Size: 36 Blocks: 0 IO Block: 4096 directory
> │ │ │ + Size: 46 Blocks: 0 IO Block: 4096 directory
> │ │ │ Links: 1
> │ │ │ Access: (0555/dr-xr-xr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root)
> │ │ │
> │ │ │ Modify: 1970-01-01 00:00:01.000000000 +0000
> │ │ ├── /gnu/store/8fpk2cja3f07xls48jfnpgrzrljpqivr-coreutils-8.32/bin/stat {}
> │ │ │ @@ -1,8 +1,8 @@
> │ │ │
> │ │ │ + Size: 46 Blocks: 0 IO Block: 4096 directory
> │ │ │ - Size: 36 Blocks: 0 IO Block: 4096 directory
> │ │ │ Links: 1
> │ │ │ Access: (0555/dr-xr-xr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root)
> │ │ │
> │ │ │ Modify: 1970-01-01 00:00:01.000000000 +0000
>
>
> So while it would be nice to build glibc-locales-2.32 with glibc-2.33 I
> don't think it's actually in use anywhere since IIRC we jumped from 2.31
> to 2.33.
>
> Also, for 2.33 I'd like to build it with glibc-final. glibc-locales
> doesn't retain a reference to any packages and it would reduce an
> instance of using an "extra" glibc when there's already one in the build
> environment.
I misread the source. I'd like glibc-utf8-locales built with glibc-final.
glibc-locales actually rebuilds the sources with an extra patch. I
suppose another option would be to use glibc-locales to build
glibc-utf8-locales.
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2022-07-03 9:53 ` glibc-locales Efraim Flashner
@ 2022-07-03 11:35 ` Andreas Enge
2022-07-03 14:36 ` glibc-locales Vagrant Cascadian
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From: Andreas Enge @ 2022-07-03 11:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: guix-devel
Am Sun, Jul 03, 2022 at 12:53:09PM +0300 schrieb Efraim Flashner:
> I misread the source. I'd like glibc-utf8-locales built with glibc-final.
Has glibc-utf8-locales not been removed some time ago? I always had it in
my profile, then saw a message during upgrade that it had been removed,
and dropped it from my profile (without any apparent harm to my GNU system).
Andreas
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* Re: glibc-locales
2022-07-03 11:35 ` glibc-locales Andreas Enge
@ 2022-07-03 14:36 ` Vagrant Cascadian
2022-07-03 14:41 ` glibc-locales Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Vagrant Cascadian @ 2022-07-03 14:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: guix-devel; +Cc: Andreas Enge, Efraim Flashner
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On 2022-07-03, Andreas Enge wrote:
> Am Sun, Jul 03, 2022 at 12:53:09PM +0300 schrieb Efraim Flashner:
>> I misread the source. I'd like glibc-utf8-locales built with glibc-final.
>
> Has glibc-utf8-locales not been removed some time ago? I always had it in
> my profile, then saw a message during upgrade that it had been removed,
> and dropped it from my profile (without any apparent harm to my GNU system).
Still is there as a hidden package and used as an input for some
packages, though this brings up another locales-related question...
Before glibc-utf8-locales was a hidden package, I preferred using that
because it only included a small subset of locales, and happened to
include the main one I needed (lucky me!).
How feasible would it be to make each locale it's own output on
glibc-locales (e.g. glibc-locales:en_US.utf8, or maybe cluster languages
together, e.g. glibc-locales:en) ? Most people probably only use a
relatively small number of locales on any given system... though which
locales any given person uses probably varies.
Is it a complexity vs. space-savings issue? Would it be tricky to
compose multiple locales packages into a single profile? Just not worth
the effort?
live well,
vagrant
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