From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer)
To: "Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro" <oitofelix@gnu.org>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, "Felipe López" <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org>
Subject: Re: New year, new name!
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 15:58:14 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wq50t0qh.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150106122821.4cc9d9a0@freedom-laptop> ("Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro"'s message of "Tue, 6 Jan 2015 12:28:21 -0200")
Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro <oitofelix@gnu.org> writes:
> Em Mon, 05 Jan 2015 09:40:48 -0500
> Felipe López <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> escreveu:
>
>> I still think that calling the Guix distro "GNU" would have been
>> better, and I don't see how calling it "Guixotic - the reference
>> distribution of GNU" is any different from calling it "GNU", since
>> saying "the reference distro" implies the same issues RMS and others
>> saw in calling the distro "GNU".
>
> I agree. In fact calling it "GNU's reference distribution" could even
> worsen the problems seen by RMS, because of the explicit goal
> attributed to the distribution of being used as a canonical template.
> To me the purpose of the GNU project is more ethical and symbolic than
> technical: to provide the mythical --- entirely free --- GNU system
> and not necessarily to make a distribution for technical reference.
> IMHO, the GNU project is missing the point.
>
> Needless to say, I'll continue to call it simply "GNU". I invite
> everyone else to do the same. Given that the GNU+Linux operating
> system has gotten the wrong name "Linux" by habit and popularity,
> maybe we could make "Guixotic" (or whatever) get the right name "GNU"
> by a similar practice.
When "GNU" refers exactly to that partially intangible system you
describe, which is found not only in concrete distributions but also in
Apple OS X and Android, then we need a separate name to refer to this
concrete distribution.
There seems to be agreement on that this name will be de-emphasized
--used as kind of a technical code name only-- in contrast to all the
"brand" names such as Ubuntu, Debian, Arch, etc.. So we will say that
we use GNU, and that it's Guixotic will be a technical detail.
There's still the danger that, since most GNU/Linux discussion happens
in technically savvy circles, people will most often use this technical
code name, so it will look like a brand name to onlookers of such
discussions. I think it's our responsibility to be careful about this
danger and clarify as often as needed, but I don't see us getting around
giving *some* concrete name, that isn't "GNU", to the distribution.
Hope this perspective helps. :-)
Taylan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-01-06 14:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-01-04 15:12 New year, new name! Ludovic Courtès
2015-01-05 10:35 ` Adam Pribyl
2015-01-05 10:43 ` John Darrington
2015-01-05 14:40 ` Felipe López
2015-01-06 14:28 ` Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro
2015-01-06 14:58 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer [this message]
2015-01-06 19:05 ` Felipe López
2015-01-05 11:29 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-01-05 11:53 ` Svetlana Tkachenko
2015-01-05 15:30 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-01-05 16:15 ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-01-05 16:53 ` Felipe López
2015-01-05 22:11 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-01-05 22:50 ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-01-05 15:09 ` Thompson, David
2015-01-05 19:22 ` Andreas Enge
2015-01-05 19:56 ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-01-13 10:20 ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-01-22 17:30 ` New year, new name² Ludovic Courtès
2015-01-26 1:06 ` Daniel Pimentel
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