Re: Criticisms of my "tone" (was Re: A "cosmetic changes" commit that removes security fixes)

[Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>]

Hi Leo,

Leo Prikler <leo.prikler@student.tugraz.at> writes:

> Am Samstag, den 01.05.2021, 19:02 +0200 schrieb Giovanni Biscuolo:
>> I also spent some time re-reading messages that Mark sent in this
>> thread and, like him, I really don't understand what Mark did wrong.
>> 
>> For sure Mark /insisted/ that Raghav and Léo did something wrong with
>> some commits, we can say Mark did it being /direct/ and /accusatory/
>> but we cannot really say Mark assumed bad faith from them.
> He did wrong insofar as his accusatory message read as though he was
> assuming bad faith

Can you please point out which of my words led you to conclude that I
was assuming bad faith?

For what it's worth, I have *never* assumed bad faith, and I don't think
I said anything to imply it either.

> (or at the very least incompetence, which, if you are the party being
> accused, does not sound too nice either).

I pointed out facts.  I did not engage in speculation beyond the facts.

Here, I think that you are making your own speculations based on the
facts that I uncovered, and are attributing those speculations to me.
That's unfair.  Your speculations are not my responsibility.

Moreover, even if it were true that most people would make similar
speculations based on the facts I exposed, that's not my responsibility
either.

>> If you want you can consider Mark used an /harsh/ tone but this is a
>> personal feeling, something one /could/ read "between the lines" even
>> if actually in a written communication I find it hard to read between
>> the lines, it is not something factual.  Maybe Mark intended to be
>> harsh, maybe not: who knows?  Is /this/ (finding he was harsh)
>> important?
> It is definitely of some importance.

I agree that it's of some importance, but it's also a fundamentally hard
thing to do.  I'm genuinely surprised by some of the claims being made
about my messages, especially the claim that I assumed "bad faith".  I
didn't say anything to imply that, I didn't think it, and I still don't.

Thanks for discussing this, Leo.  I appreciate your feedback, even where
we disagree.

     Regards,
       Mark

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