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From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès)
To: Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name>
Cc: development@libreboot.org, guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Meltdown / Spectre
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 12:10:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878tcy83eq.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180110050427.GB29390@jasmine.lan> (Leo Famulari's message of "Wed, 10 Jan 2018 00:04:27 -0500")

Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name> skribis:

> On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 06:10:02PM -0500, Mark H Weaver wrote:
>> Marius Bakke <mbakke@fastmail.com> writes:
>> > Katherine Cox-Buday <cox.katherine.e@gmail.com> writes:
>> >> I am also interested -- more from a philisophical perspective -- how
>> >> GuixSD and GNU squares with these kinds of security updates.
>> >
>> > In my opinion, CPU microcode falls under "non-functional data", as
>> > expressly permitted by the GNU FSDG.
>> 
>> I strongly disagree.  CPU microcode is absolutely functional data.
>> It determines how the CPU functions.
>
> Personally I would really like to have microcode deployment integrated
> into GuixSD. But I agree with Mark here, and I don't see how it can be
> reconciled with the FSDG.

Agreed.  Updated microcode can surely be considered software, and per
the FSDG we will not distribute it.

Should GuixSD nevertheless provide a mechanism to support microcode
updates, while not steering users to particular proprietary microcode?
Just like Linux-libre (attempts to) support loading of proprietary
firmware at the user’s choice?  Would it make sense at all?

The Intel CPU situation is terrible from a user freedom POV and there
are no signs of it getting better.  I think the free software community
must stand strong against it.

Ludo’.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-16 11:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-06 13:20 What do Meltdown and Spectre mean for libreboot x200 user? Alex Vong
2018-01-06 17:23 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-06 17:43 ` Meltdown / Spectre Leo Famulari
2018-01-06 20:15   ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-07  6:38     ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-07 21:29       ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-09 21:39         ` Alex Vong
2018-01-10  4:59           ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-16 10:57             ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-19 22:06               ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-20  0:17                 ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-21 16:26                   ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-24 14:23                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-24 16:19                       ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-26 22:05                       ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-27 16:12                         ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-10 15:00           ` ng0
2018-01-08 10:30       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-10  5:27       ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-07  2:44   ` Chris Marusich
2018-01-08 17:22     ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-01-08 18:26       ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-08 21:51         ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-08 22:01           ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-09 20:13           ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-01-09 21:18             ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-10  5:26               ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-11 19:45                 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-01-11 21:49                   ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-01-10 10:46               ` Tobias Platen
2018-01-10 17:20                 ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-10  6:43             ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-01-10 18:41               ` Kei Kebreau
2018-01-16  3:58             ` Chris Marusich
2018-01-17 19:20               ` Gábor Boskovits
2018-01-14 15:11           ` Alex Vong
2018-01-09 23:10         ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-10  5:04           ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-16 11:10             ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2018-01-17  2:38               ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-01-17 14:11                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-10  9:36           ` Chris Marusich
2018-01-10 11:49             ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-01-10 12:35               ` Tobias Platen
2018-01-10 14:04                 ` Gábor Boskovits
2018-01-12  0:25                   ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-15  8:07                   ` Pjotr Prins
2018-01-16  3:08                     ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-01-16 10:04                       ` Pjotr Prins
2018-01-12  7:39                 ` Chris Marusich

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