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From: Giovanni Biscuolo <g@xelera.eu>
To: Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: The already complicated (complex?) process for contributing.
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 16:37:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878r978puw.fsf@xelera.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878r97dd0v.fsf@gmail.com>

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Hi Simon,

maybe we are drifting... again? ;-)

Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com> writes:

[...]

>> If this is stil not properly documented it will be fixed.
>
> Maybe… and it will be another item in the already very long list of
> steps to complete before contributing.  This is one of my concern: add
> yet another thing to an already complicated process for contributing.

[...]

> Yes, yet another thing to an already complicated process for
> contributing.

[...]

> Yes, yet another thing to an already complicated process for
> contributing.

[...]

While I agree that if some-"thing" (or the lack of, OK?) is
/complicating/ the contributing process, that "thing" should be
addressed, I disagree that _adding_ the **requirement** for contributors
to properly configure git to use git hooks provided by Guix and
understand the purpose of and pay attention to the 'Change-Id' field is
another "thing" that adds /complication/.

Talking in general: if you mean that contributing to Guix is /complex/ I
agree, but /complex/ does not imply /complication/; also, /complexity/
is common to every DCVS based project with significant dimensions that I
know of.

So yes, contributing /in general/ is a complex process and I guess we
all would like it to be less complicated as possible; proposals in this
thread are trying to go in this direction: adding a little help in
«integrating a proposed change» with no complications (useless by
design) for _all_ involved parties.

Looking at other project development processes, take as an example
**one** of the activities in the Linux kernel development process:
«posting patches» [1].

You also need to know:

- «Submitting patches: the essential guide to getting your code into the
  kernel» [2]

- «Linux Kernel patch submission checklist» [3]

- «Linux kernel coding style» [4]

- «Email clients info for Linux» [5]...  just to mention one of the
cited MUAs, it states: «Gmail (Web GUI). Does not work for sending
patches..».  Probably Guix should copy/paste that.

Is it /complex/ or /complicated/?

To begin with, it's quite a lot of documentation, quite challenging to
study /just/ to be able to send a useful patch to the Linux kernel... or
/just/ to understand how and _why_ the process is designed that way.

I hear you Someone™ reader: I cannot summarise, sorry! :-D ...anyway
it's a very interesting reading, I'd suggest it. (I did not read all.)

To have an overall picture of the /complexity/ of the whole development
process of the Linux kernel, take a look at «the index» [6]. :-O

Could it be simpified without making it /complicated/ for Someone™?
...maybe.

Is Guix development process comparable to the Linux kernel one? ...who
knows :-D


Thanks! Gio'


[1] https://docs.kernel.org/process/5.Posting.html

[2] https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/submitting-patches.html

[3] https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/submit-checklist.html

[4] https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/coding-style.html

[5] https://docs.kernel.org/process/email-clients.html
"Run away from it.": ROTFL!

[6] https://docs.kernel.org/process/index.html

-- 
Giovanni Biscuolo

Xelera IT Infrastructures

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-15 14:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-06  8:28 [workflow] Automatically close bug report when a patch is committed Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-06  9:45 ` Christopher Baines
2023-09-07  9:38   ` [workflow] Triaging issues (was Automatically close bug report when a patch is committed) Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-07 15:41     ` Vagrant Cascadian
2023-09-11  7:37       ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-11 15:29         ` Simon Tournier
2023-09-11 17:08           ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-06 16:14 ` [workflow] Automatically close bug report when a patch is committed Maxim Cournoyer
2023-09-07  0:23   ` Simon Tournier
2023-09-07  2:01     ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-09-07  9:58       ` Simon Tournier
2023-09-09 23:43         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-09-07 13:11       ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-09 23:39         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-09-11  7:53           ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-11 14:01             ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-09-11 17:10               ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-07 11:08     ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-07 11:58       ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-09-07 13:09         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-09-07 15:52           ` Vagrant Cascadian
2023-09-09 23:50             ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-09-11 11:00               ` Simon Tournier
2023-09-11 13:46                 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-09-11 14:11                   ` Simon Tournier
2023-09-11 15:33                     ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-09-13  2:46               ` Vagrant Cascadian
2023-09-13 15:49                 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-09-14 16:30                   ` Vagrant Cascadian
2023-09-14 18:02                     ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-09-07 13:19         ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-07 10:40   ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-07 13:49     ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-27 14:36       ` Christopher Baines
2023-09-07 16:12     ` Vagrant Cascadian
2023-09-07 16:28       ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-09-09 23:59       ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-09-11  8:09         ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-11 13:59           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-09-11 17:55           ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-09-11 18:36             ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-09-11 18:51               ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-09-11 20:41                 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-09-12 13:55                   ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-13 15:19                     ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-09-14  9:42                       ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-14 16:58                         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-09-12 17:03                   ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-09-13  9:37                     ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-13 15:27                     ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-09-13 19:14                       ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-09-13 22:12                         ` Simon Tournier
2023-09-14  3:00                           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-09-14 10:48                             ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-15 21:46                               ` Vagrant Cascadian
2023-09-19 16:41                                 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-14 10:27                           ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-14 12:25                             ` Simon Tournier
2023-09-15  7:16                               ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-15  9:03                                 ` Simon Tournier
2023-09-15 14:37                                   ` Giovanni Biscuolo [this message]
2023-09-15 16:43                                     ` The already complicated (complex?) process for contributing Simon Tournier
2023-09-16  7:33                                       ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-16  8:33                                         ` Simon Tournier
2023-09-14  7:20                         ` [workflow] Automatically close bug report when a patch is committed Andreas Enge
2023-09-14 10:25                         ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-14 22:51         ` Vagrant Cascadian
2023-09-15  4:23           ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-09-15 21:30             ` Vagrant Cascadian

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