Re: Freenode Administration

[raingloom <raingloom@riseup.net>]

On Thu, 20 May 2021 01:40:08 -0400
Bone Baboon <bone.baboon@disroot.org> wrote:

> Bone Baboon writes:
> > # IRC alternatives / compliments
> >
> > Some criteria that I have come up with are:
> > * Free software
> > * Can be used without a graphical user interface as many GPUs are
> > not compatible with Linux-libre and can not run Xorg or Wayland
> > window managers / desktops.
> > * Peer to peer as a way to avoid the issue of a centralized
> >   administrator changing their administration in undesirable ways.
> >  
> 
> One more criteria.  Is an Emacs client available.  Inspired by
> <https://logs.guix.gnu.org/guix/2021-05-19.log#183825>.
> 
> > Some alternatives that come to mind that would need further
> > investigation include the following.  I do not know if any of these
> > meet all the criteria I mention above.
> >
> > * Scuttlebutt
> > ** https://scuttlebutt.nz/
> > ** Is there a client that works without a graphical environment?
> >
> > * DAT
> > ** Are there messaging application for DAT?
> > ** https://www.datprotocol.com/
> >
> > * IPFS
> > ** Are there messaging application for IPFS?
> > ** https://ipfs.io/
> >
> > * Jami
> > ** https://jami.net/
> > ** Swarms specifically
> > ***
> > https://jami.net/swarm-introducing-a-new-generation-of-group-conversations/
> > *** Swarms are fully distributed and peer-to-peer text
> > conversations, with a potentially unlimited number of participants.
> > ** <Lutices[m]> on Freenode #jami said:
> > "https://github.com/AmarOk1412/jami-cli/ no video/audio support but
> > support swarm"
> >
> > * RetroShare
> > ** http://retroshare.cc/
> > ** Is there a client that works without a graphical environment?  
> 
> Here is what I have discovered after some further preliminary
> exploration.  I have added XMPP and Tox.
> 
> ## Scuttlebutt
> 
> <https://scuttlebutt.nz/>
> 
> * Free libre - yes
> * Peer to peer - yes
> * Non graphical client - yes
> ** scat <https://github.com/stripedpajamas/scat>
> ** scatzero <https://github.com/stripedpajamas/scatzero>
> ** scuttle-chat <https://github.com/clevinson/scuttle-chat>
> * IRC capabilities - ?
> * Emacs client - no
> 
> ## DAT
> 
> <https://www.datprotocol.com/>
> 
> * Free libre - yes
> * Peer to peer - yes
> * Non graphical client - yes
> ** cabal-cli <https://github.com/cabal-club/cabal-cli>
> * IRC capabilities - yes
> ** <https://cabal.chat/>
> * Emacs client - no

I don't think we can package NPM stuff.

Both the Dat and SSB cores have non-JavaScript implementations AFAIK,
but Cabal itself is JavaScript-only and so are all the SSB clients that
I've seen, but admittedly I haven't looked at the state of the SSB
ecosystem in a few months, so maybe that has changed.
The various sbot implementations do not count as proper clients.