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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1621733995; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=La7NNnGaV+5yoAjDjTEoUKki0wAe57/qSt8VXxe0EHg=; b=YqSurzSfAY36WeG91wcQnbGi35kHdjEkpln7y3HGZt6FuUu7EeMAFdn+j3yiSGStDQhnQr YJ2hJbcnNOwnYXtBfsy3/KIdUYzQkWphlYbm/i4LEjeiE3tooskPLfx9rILlkcUsQZh4l+ snx8ctMpG7ILLFOPcy2zFCtouz+qxC2jj5vl2duUteTypSPvHu2eT5WG1ldp5ifbc2Iua9 WzqhIekMhAawkbNdffciTlSBMS1S9TbC9mckqs7hFDNBTLdqfWjT1u0s3+VGqFNvwch9gZ pTx11KyBMgvZROEr98YWjkOMX7yj4Lq0RmxffKHuQPiPYEZadA9Rf/rJ9usfJg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1621733995; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=DVNFVe9cADtPNwZyybNwhUHlPClHhnSciCWLDtb9XyGxo+taFOyJaRLe6GY9bJQpcBauod jTA108noYXdzGpnfFz6/tyH5wVBv5UAZYHQAlXC1F6cYx9T1V85V86vBdpvv1aPHS1YuJ9 4TgVqw1+H3xbry4K50jxo/4J5ZMfzG9I7l6vC+PahJD7TwO7/SFAreDyyc0OmNnU77G9Jp eypkAiGgQQc3tWASDntM1PIrwf7s3iZBw44lYYaqba6v0DEGh39H1/qegt/qsE+hCp350i BfgrdjrftSTs0ZD6rMONfe5HE/IAXx3b4IZbb/AiDSwF9vTSW3X6oZyWiNTVHw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=VEVPnUaD; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.13 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=VEVPnUaD; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 081AE956D X-Spam-Score: -3.13 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: kiBJRI6HGUQ9 On Thu, 20 May 2021 01:40:08 -0400 Bone Baboon wrote: > Bone Baboon writes: > > # IRC alternatives / compliments > > > > Some criteria that I have come up with are: > > * Free software > > * Can be used without a graphical user interface as many GPUs are > > not compatible with Linux-libre and can not run Xorg or Wayland > > window managers / desktops. > > * Peer to peer as a way to avoid the issue of a centralized > > administrator changing their administration in undesirable ways. > > > > One more criteria. Is an Emacs client available. Inspired by > . > > > Some alternatives that come to mind that would need further > > investigation include the following. I do not know if any of these > > meet all the criteria I mention above. > > > > * Scuttlebutt > > ** https://scuttlebutt.nz/ > > ** Is there a client that works without a graphical environment? > > > > * DAT > > ** Are there messaging application for DAT? > > ** https://www.datprotocol.com/ > > > > * IPFS > > ** Are there messaging application for IPFS? > > ** https://ipfs.io/ > > > > * Jami > > ** https://jami.net/ > > ** Swarms specifically > > *** > > https://jami.net/swarm-introducing-a-new-generation-of-group-conversations/ > > *** Swarms are fully distributed and peer-to-peer text > > conversations, with a potentially unlimited number of participants. > > ** on Freenode #jami said: > > "https://github.com/AmarOk1412/jami-cli/ no video/audio support but > > support swarm" > > > > * RetroShare > > ** http://retroshare.cc/ > > ** Is there a client that works without a graphical environment? > > Here is what I have discovered after some further preliminary > exploration. I have added XMPP and Tox. > > ## Scuttlebutt > > > > * Free libre - yes > * Peer to peer - yes > * Non graphical client - yes > ** scat > ** scatzero > ** scuttle-chat > * IRC capabilities - ? > * Emacs client - no > > ## DAT > > > > * Free libre - yes > * Peer to peer - yes > * Non graphical client - yes > ** cabal-cli > * IRC capabilities - yes > ** > * Emacs client - no I don't think we can package NPM stuff. Both the Dat and SSB cores have non-JavaScript implementations AFAIK, but Cabal itself is JavaScript-only and so are all the SSB clients that I've seen, but admittedly I haven't looked at the state of the SSB ecosystem in a few months, so maybe that has changed. The various sbot implementations do not count as proper clients.