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From: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
To: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com>
Cc: 30948@debbugs.gnu.org, Carlo Zancanaro <carlo@zancanaro.id.au>
Subject: bug#30948: [PATCH core-updates] guix: Reap finished child processes in build containers.
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 16:11:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <875yf192en.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87cz9cnvys.fsf_-_@gmail.com> (Maxim Cournoyer's message of "Thu,  24 Nov 2022 11:44:27 -0500")

Hi,

Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com> skribis:

>> My view is just that this mechanism belongs in “user code”, not in the
>> low-level mechanisms such as ‘build-expression->derivation’ and
>> ‘gexp->derivation’.  It’s a matter of separation of concerns.
>
> Why?  On my Guix System, such signal handling is handled by Shepherd, if
> I'm not mistaken.  As I user, I can trust the foundation to be sane,
> rather than having to provide the bits to make it so myself.
>
>> Of course we don’t want to duplicate that code every time, but the way
>> we should factorize it, IMO, is by putting it in a “normal” module that
>> people will use.
>>
>> Putting it in gnu-build-system is an admittedly hacky but easy way to
>> have it widely shared.
>
> I think we can do better than hacky here :-)

I think the real issue here is semantic clarity when it comes to
derivation inputs.

If I write:

  (gexp->derivation "foo" #~(mkdir #$output))

I can be sure that my derivation depends on nothing but (default-guile).
This is important for tests, but also to make sure we can use this
primitive everywhere—if it pulled in the Shepherd, I wouldn’t be able to
use to build glibc, because there’d be a cycle.

In that sense, having child-reaping code in gnu-build-system.scm, just
like in (guix least-authority), doesn’t seem unreasonable to me.

That said, I’m open to other proposals so please unleash your
creativity!  :-)

We’re touching core components though so this will require discussion.

Ludo’.




  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-26 15:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]   ` <87sh8id1mg.fsf@zancanaro.id.au>
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     [not found]         ` <874lkxoanq.fsf@gnu.org>
2022-11-24 16:44           ` bug#30948: [PATCH core-updates] guix: Reap finished child processes in build containers Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-26 15:11             ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2022-11-27  3:00               ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-28 15:04                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-28 20:10                   ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-29  2:07                   ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-12-17 20:23                   ` bug#30948: [PATCH core-updates] build-system/gnu: Turn PID 1 into an “init”-style process by default Ludovic Courtès
2023-12-17 21:46                     ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-12-18 17:46                       ` bug#30948: [PATCH core-updates] guix: Reap finished child processes in build containers Ludovic Courtès
2023-12-30  3:36                         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-12-19 22:56                     ` Ludovic Courtès

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