on bootstrapping: 2nd status report on Mes

on bootstrapping: 2nd status report on Mes

[Jan Nieuwenhuizen]

Hi!

In June I announced[0] Mes as a project that seeks to reduce the size of/
dependency on bootstrap binaries, esp. for a system like GuixSD

The strategy was to create a minimal trusted binary (prototyped in C but
eventually to be hand-crafted in assembly/hex) that interpets a minimal
LISP.  Then using this minimal but already convenient LISP, extend it
into Scheme and write a tiny C compiler/linker.

Last time I had a minimal LISP-1.5-resembling interpreter in 900 lines
of C that could interpret itself and an extension layer written in LISP
providing a minimal Scheme environment.  I was stuck on adding macros in
LISP and had a broken macro implentation in C that I wanted to remove.
Also I hoped to greatly reduce the size of the C part.

New status[1]

    * Provide Scheme primitives directly in 1400 lines of C
    * Remove LISP-1.5 staging
    * closures clue-bat, fixing bugs in begin, lambda, lexical
      scoping etc. ... learned a lot!
    * quasiquote, unquote, unquote-splicing (in C, too slow in Scheme)
    * define-macro (in C)
    * define-syntax, syntax-rules (in Scheme, using define-macro)
    * all primitives needed to run LALR (strings, vectors, records,
      some srfi bits; mostly in Scheme)
    * test suite with 97 tests that run with Mes and also with Guile
    * minimal and partial ANSI C parser for hello world
    * minimal and simplistic 32 bit elf c-ast->elf generator

      Mes can now create a running 32-bit elf binary from this hello
      world C source with a simplistic for loop

         int main ()
         {
           int i;
           puts ("Hi Mes!\n");
           for (i = 0; i < 4; ++i)
             puts ("  Hello, world!\n");
           return 1;
         }

      It takes Mes 1'20" to compile this program, Guile takes 0.5 seconds.

    * cannot get psyntax.pp hooked-up or running
    * do not understand syntax stuff [well enough] to implement in C
      -> no let-syntax, no MATCH
      -> no syntax-case, no PEG parser

In theory the bootstrapping problem I set out to solve seems to be
cracked.  The remaining problem is reduced to `just work':
implementing a minimal C compiler in Scheme.  Questions here: I'm not
convinced yet that this is a meaningful project...aaand I really not
want to tackle this without having MATCH, which Mes does not have yet.

Of the possible directions that I see

   0 write the C compiler in Scheme without match
   1 rewrite match without let-syntax
   2 grok+write let-syntax/syntax-case using define-macro, some bits in C
   3 run and hook-up psyntax.pp...BUT that would probably require:
   4 address performance problem, possibly by
   5 rewrite Mes into a VM-based solution

none I find really attractive.  Option 5, a VM is proven to work but
that's quite a change of direction.  Looking at other VM-based projects
(e.g. GNU Epsilon[2]) I fear that this must result in a much larger code
base in C, throwing out the minimal trusted binary idea.  The other
puzzles and work 0, 2 or 3 still need to be done.

However, diving into syntax-macro or eval work (2 or 3) most probably
needs the performance issue addressed.  And if it turns out that a big
VM solution is needed, that may still invalidate this project after
having done even more work.

Help! :-)  Ideas?

Greetings,
Jan

[0] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-user/2016-06/msg00061.html
[1] https://gitlab.com/janneke/mes
[2] http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/epsilon.git

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Re: on bootstrapping: 2nd status report on Mes

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   OK