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From: "John W. Eaton" <jwe@bevo.che.wisc.edu>
Cc: guile-user <guile-user@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: translators and scoping rules (was: Re: language translator help)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:26:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <15564.44878.450070.152178@segfault.bogus.domain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87znznnb6i.fsf@zagadka.ping.de>

On 28-Apr-2002, Marius Vollmer <mvo@zagadka.ping.de> wrote:

| "John W. Eaton" <jwe@bevo.che.wisc.edu> writes:
| 
| > [defining new local variables via eval.]
| >
| > OK.  I'm not sure whether this feature is really necessary, but it
| > might also turn out to be a mistake to design the translator in way
| > that makes it impossible.
| 
| Can you statically determine whether a function uses eval in such a
| way?  If so, you can generate efficient code for functions that can
| not define new locals, and use some horrible scheme for functions that
| can.

I'm not sure.  It would be easy to determine whether a function uses
eval(), but I think it would be harder to decide whether what funny
stuff might be going on with eval since the string to be evaluated can
come from anywhere, including user input.  If I have something like

  function y = foo (some_string)
    eval (some_string);
    y = sin (x);
  endfunction

and SOME_STRING doesn't define a variable X, it is an error anyway,
and we could probably detect that.  OTOH, there is no way to determine
what might happen for

  function foo (string_one, string_two)
    eval (string_one);
    eval (string_two);
  endfunction

since the code in STRING_TWO might depend on what variables were
defined in STRING_ONE.

Does it matter?  I don't know.  I don't think I would ever write a
program that does these kinds of things, but it is allowed by Matlab,
and Octave users like the fact that Octave has until now tried to be
mostly compatible.  Before I do a lot of coding, I'm trying to explore
what can be done easily if I decide to have Octave emit Scheme code
for Guile to interpret.

jwe

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  reply	other threads:[~2002-04-29  2:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-04-26 17:55 language translator help John W. Eaton
2002-04-26 21:14 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-04-27  9:48 ` Neil Jerram
2002-04-28  0:47   ` John W. Eaton
2002-04-28  1:21     ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-04-28  1:32       ` John W. Eaton
2002-04-28  2:10         ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-04-28 14:44           ` John W. Eaton
2002-04-28 18:41             ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-04-28 22:18               ` John W. Eaton
2002-04-29  5:16                 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-04-29 16:36                   ` John W. Eaton
2002-04-29 20:28                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-04-30 17:57                     ` MJ Ray
2002-05-01  6:31                       ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-04-30 22:49                     ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-04-28 18:21       ` Neil Jerram
2002-04-28 18:42         ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-05-01 22:19           ` Neil Jerram
2002-05-15 11:35         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-05-15 20:49           ` Marius Vollmer
2002-05-15 23:13             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-05-16  0:26               ` Bill Gribble
2002-05-16  1:20                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-05-16  5:02                 ` Per Bothner
2002-05-16 21:57               ` Marius Vollmer
2002-05-16 22:36                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-05-22 12:37                   ` Marius Vollmer
2002-05-22 19:26                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-05-22 20:50                       ` Marius Vollmer
2002-05-22 22:23                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-05-23  0:23                           ` Marius Vollmer
2002-05-23  4:59                             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-05-23 11:37                               ` Bill Gribble
2002-05-23 23:41                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-05-23 11:46                           ` MJ Ray
2002-05-23 17:33                             ` Marius Vollmer
     [not found]                               ` <mvo@zagadka.ping.de>
2002-05-23 22:20                                 ` MJ Ray
2002-05-27 20:26                                   ` Marius Vollmer
2002-05-29  8:55                                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-05-29 18:56                                       ` Marius Vollmer
2002-05-29 19:17                                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-05-29 19:46                                           ` Marius Vollmer
2002-05-29 19:59                                             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-05-30 12:16                                               ` Marius Vollmer
2002-05-30 22:39                                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-05-30  2:28                                           ` Christopher Cramer
2002-05-30  7:38                                             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-06-04 22:58                                           ` MJ Ray
2002-06-04 23:56                                             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]                                               ` <ttn@giblet.glug.org>
2002-06-05  8:22                                                 ` MJ Ray
2002-06-05  9:42                                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-06-05 22:59                                                     ` MJ Ray
2002-06-05 23:32                                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-06-07 23:14                                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-06-05 23:54                                                 ` MJ Ray
2002-06-06  0:23                                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-06-06  2:44                                                     ` Bill Gribble
2002-06-06  7:23                                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-06-06  8:13                                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-06-06  9:24                                                 ` MJ Ray
2002-06-06 11:18                                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-06-07 23:25                                                     ` MJ Ray
2002-06-08  0:42                                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-06-08  4:49                                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-06-08 17:44                                                       ` rm
2002-06-10 16:45                                                         ` Marius Vollmer
2002-06-08 22:45                                                 ` MJ Ray
2002-06-08 23:18                                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-06-10 12:29                                                     ` MJ Ray
2002-06-10 12:31                                                     ` MJ Ray
2002-06-10 19:18                                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-06-10 23:30                                                 ` MJ Ray
2002-06-10 23:51                                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-06-11 17:50                                                     ` Robert Uhl <ruhl@4dv.net>
2002-06-11 20:09                                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-06-11 18:48                                                   ` news
2002-06-12 17:44                                                     ` Forking stables. was " MJ Ray
2002-06-12 20:31                                                       ` Rob Browning
2002-06-14 19:32                                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-06-14 20:08                                                         ` Clinton Ebadi
2002-06-14 20:21                                                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-06-14 21:03                                                             ` Clinton Ebadi
2002-06-14 21:39                                                               ` Robert Uhl <ruhl@4dv.net>
2002-06-14 21:45                                                               ` news
2002-06-17 22:37                                                                 ` Neil Jerram
2002-06-17 23:06                                                                   ` Clinton Ebadi
2002-06-17 23:14                                                                     ` Clinton Ebadi
2002-06-17 23:35                                                                   ` Bill Gribble
2002-06-18 18:40                                                                   ` news
2002-10-04 17:53                                                                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-06-15  6:29                                                               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-09-08 18:48                                                 ` guile 1.4.1.86 (snap) available MJ Ray
2002-09-08 20:09                                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-05-18 13:47           ` language translator help Neil Jerram
2002-05-19  2:32             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-05-19  3:03               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-04-28  6:53     ` Per Bothner
2002-04-28 18:21     ` Neil Jerram
2002-04-28  0:53   ` loop translations (was: Re: language translator help) John W. Eaton
2002-04-28  1:33     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-04-28  5:06       ` David Pirotte
2002-04-28  9:52         ` rm
2002-04-28 13:49     ` Marius Vollmer
2002-04-28 14:29       ` John W. Eaton
2002-04-28 18:15         ` Marius Vollmer
2002-04-28 18:48           ` Marius Vollmer
2002-04-29 20:07             ` Clinton Ebadi
2002-04-29 20:50               ` Eric E Moore
2002-04-30 15:07                 ` Eric E Moore
2002-04-28 18:21     ` Neil Jerram
2002-04-28  0:54   ` translators and scoping rules " John W. Eaton
2002-04-28 13:50     ` Marius Vollmer
2002-04-28 14:03       ` John W. Eaton
2002-04-28 14:35         ` Marius Vollmer
2002-04-29  2:26           ` John W. Eaton [this message]
2002-05-07 18:50             ` Marius Vollmer
2002-04-28 15:26         ` Per Bothner
2002-04-29  2:08           ` John W. Eaton
2002-04-29  4:37             ` Per Bothner
2002-04-29 16:27               ` John W. Eaton
2002-04-28 18:21     ` Neil Jerram
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-09-08  6:23 guile 1.4.1.86 (snap) available Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-09-08 17:21 ` MJ Ray
2002-09-08 17:45   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen

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