From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
To: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
Lynn Winebarger <owinebar@gmail.com>,
Tomas Hlavaty <tom@logand.com>,
Karthik Chikmagalur <karthikchikmagalur@gmail.com>,
Thomas Koch <thomas@koch.ro>,
"emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: continuation passing in Emacs vs. JUST-THIS-ONE
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2023 17:52:33 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <s8h354x4ivy.fsf@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e9ce157e-8fba-5bf3-1591-61a6d5c2d0f2@gmail.com> (Jim Porter's message of "Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:19:38 -0700")
Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com> writes:
> On 4/17/2023 12:50 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>> This whole thread seems to echo the difference between "stackless"
>>> and
>>> "stackful" coroutines discussed in
>>> https://nullprogram.com/blog/2019/03/10/ by the author of
>>> emacs-aio,
>>> with generator-style rewriting corresponding to stackless and
>>> threads
>>> to "stackful". So when you say "save as much as threads do", I'm
>>> not
>>> clear if you're talking about rewriting code to essentially create
>>> a
>>> heap allocated version of the same information that a thread has in
>>> the form of its stack, or something more limited like some
>>> particular
>>> set of special bindings.
>> Indeed to "save as much as threads do" we'd have to essentially
>> create
>> a heap allocated version of the same info.
>> [ I don't think that's what we want. ]
>
> I think this subthread is about two different aspects, which is
> probably due in part to me not distinguishing the two enough
> initially; one of the reasons I'd find it useful to "save as much as
> threads do" is so that there could be a path towards packaging tasks
> up to run on another thread, and for them to eventually have enough
> context that we could run multiple packaged tasks
> *concurrently*. That's separate from a more-general asynchronous
> programming library (though they would likely interact with one
> another).
>
> Javascript might be a useful analogue here, since it too was
> originally single-threaded with an event loop, and more concurrency
> features were added in later. Similarly to "modern" JS, we could have
> async/await constructs that (primarily) work on the main thread, plus
> something similar to web workers, which operate as mostly-independent
> threads that you can communicate with via messages.
Btw, even though I don't know exactly what this is about, ISTM that
whatever you're doing could use a name that isn't missing a letter, like
`future'. Why `futur'?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-04-18 9:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-03-11 12:53 continuation passing in Emacs vs. JUST-THIS-ONE Thomas Koch
2023-03-12 1:45 ` Jim Porter
2023-03-12 6:33 ` tomas
2023-03-14 6:39 ` Karthik Chikmagalur
2023-03-14 18:58 ` Jim Porter
2023-03-15 17:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-03-17 0:17 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-03-17 3:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-03-17 5:37 ` Jim Porter
2023-03-25 18:42 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-03-26 19:35 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-03-28 7:23 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-03-29 19:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-03 0:39 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-04-03 1:44 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-04-03 2:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-03 4:03 ` Po Lu
2023-04-03 4:51 ` Jim Porter
2023-04-10 21:47 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-04-11 2:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-11 19:59 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-04-11 20:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-11 23:07 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-04-12 6:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-17 20:51 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-04-18 2:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-18 5:01 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-04-18 10:35 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-04-18 15:31 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-03-29 18:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-17 3:46 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-17 19:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-18 2:56 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-18 3:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-22 2:48 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-18 6:19 ` Jim Porter
2023-04-18 9:52 ` Po Lu [this message]
2023-04-18 12:38 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-18 13:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-19 0:28 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2023-04-19 2:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-19 13:25 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-04-19 13:34 ` Robert Pluim
2023-04-19 14:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-21 1:33 ` Richard Stallman
2023-04-19 1:11 ` Po Lu
2023-04-17 21:00 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-03-14 3:58 ` Richard Stallman
2023-03-14 6:28 ` Jim Porter
2023-03-16 21:35 ` miha
2023-03-16 22:14 ` Jim Porter
2023-03-25 21:05 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-03-26 23:50 ` Tomas Hlavaty
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