* bug#62962: 28.2; blocked key combinations in macos @ 2023-04-19 21:53 Eric Blood 2023-09-05 16:31 ` Stefan Kangas 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Eric Blood @ 2023-04-19 21:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 62962 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 6435 bytes --] i use magnet (https://magnet.crowdcafe.com) on the mac which uses key combinations like ctrl-option-leftarrow, or ctrl-option-rightarrow to reorganize windows quickly. with the official mac build of emacs these combinations don't work, however the railwaycat/homebrew-emacsmacport build does. it would be nice to see these keys work. 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* bug#62962: 28.2; blocked key combinations in macos 2023-04-19 21:53 bug#62962: 28.2; blocked key combinations in macos Eric Blood @ 2023-09-05 16:31 ` Stefan Kangas 2023-09-06 15:41 ` Eric Blood 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Stefan Kangas @ 2023-09-05 16:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Blood; +Cc: 62962 tags 62962 + moreinfo thanks Eric Blood <winkywooster@gmail.com> writes: > i use magnet (https://magnet.crowdcafe.com) on the mac which uses key > combinations like ctrl-option-leftarrow, or ctrl-option-rightarrow to > reorganize windows quickly. with the official mac build of emacs these > combinations don't work, however the railwaycat/homebrew-emacsmacport > build does. it would be nice to see these keys work. I can't reproduce this. Could you please check that you have no global keybindings customized on your machine. See: https://superuser.com/questions/638697/in-emacs-my-c-right-and-c-left-on-my-mac-keyboard-does-not-work ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#62962: 28.2; blocked key combinations in macos 2023-09-05 16:31 ` Stefan Kangas @ 2023-09-06 15:41 ` Eric Blood 2023-09-06 16:11 ` Stefan Kangas 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Eric Blood @ 2023-09-06 15:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Kangas; +Cc: 62962 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1749 bytes --] greetings stefan.. i just pulled down a recent release of emacs ( https://emacsformacosx.com/emacs-builds/Emacs-29.1-1-universal.dmg), started with `~/Downloads/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs -q`, and the issue is still there. are you using magnet? the default bindings of ctrl-opt-leftarrow or ctrl-opt-rightarrow (using mac keyboard nomenclature) to move the window to the left or right of the screen don't work. if i type ctrl-opt-x, the minibuffer reports "C-M-x is undefined", but doesn't say anything when i type ctrl-opt-leftarrow or ctrl-opt-rightarrow. again, this does work with the railwaycat build (and the 15 other mac apps i have open). i just verified i don't have any global shortcuts defined by going into system settings/keyboard shortcuts and defining ctrl-opt-leftarrow to show notification center. it doesn't show a conflict with any other shortcuts, and it overrides the magnet binding and shows notification center. On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 10:31 AM Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> wrote: > tags 62962 + moreinfo > thanks > > Eric Blood <winkywooster@gmail.com> writes: > > > i use magnet (https://magnet.crowdcafe.com) on the mac which uses key > > combinations like ctrl-option-leftarrow, or ctrl-option-rightarrow to > > reorganize windows quickly. with the official mac build of emacs these > > combinations don't work, however the railwaycat/homebrew-emacsmacport > > build does. it would be nice to see these keys work. > > I can't reproduce this. > > Could you please check that you have no global keybindings customized on > your machine. > > See: > > https://superuser.com/questions/638697/in-emacs-my-c-right-and-c-left-on-my-mac-keyboard-does-not-work > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2554 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#62962: 28.2; blocked key combinations in macos 2023-09-06 15:41 ` Eric Blood @ 2023-09-06 16:11 ` Stefan Kangas 2023-09-06 16:49 ` Eric Blood 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Stefan Kangas @ 2023-09-06 16:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Blood; +Cc: 62962 Eric Blood <winkywooster@gmail.com> writes: > greetings stefan.. > > i just pulled down a recent release of emacs ( > https://emacsformacosx.com/emacs-builds/Emacs-29.1-1-universal.dmg), > started with `~/Downloads/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs -q`, and the issue > is still there. If this is a third-party build, so I'd suggest reporting this to the Emacs for MacOSX developers first. Alternatively, you could try building Emacs from source and see if you can reproduce the issue. > are you using magnet? No. > the default bindings of ctrl-opt-leftarrow or ctrl-opt-rightarrow > (using mac keyboard nomenclature) to move the window to the left or > right of the screen don't work. The default bindings of what? Magnet? Does Emacs have support for this? > if i type ctrl-opt-x, the minibuffer reports "C-M-x is undefined", but > doesn't say anything when i type ctrl-opt-leftarrow or > ctrl-opt-rightarrow. again, this does work with the railwaycat build > (and the 15 other mac apps i have open). What is the "railwaycat build"? > i just verified i don't have any global shortcuts defined by going into > system settings/keyboard shortcuts and defining ctrl-opt-leftarrow to show > notification center. it doesn't show a conflict with any other shortcuts, > and it overrides the magnet binding and shows notification center. Thanks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#62962: 28.2; blocked key combinations in macos 2023-09-06 16:11 ` Stefan Kangas @ 2023-09-06 16:49 ` Eric Blood 2023-09-06 18:34 ` Stefan Kangas 2023-09-06 20:49 ` Alan Third 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Eric Blood @ 2023-09-06 16:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Kangas; +Cc: 62962 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2626 bytes --] > If this is a third-party build, so I'd suggest reporting this to the > Emacs for MacOSX developers first. to be clear https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/download.html does point to https://emacsformacosx.com/ which would indicate it's official in some manner. even the `brew install --cask emacs` (which the download page instructs) points to these builds. i didn't realize it's not considered an offical build. > Alternatively, you could try building Emacs from source and see if > you can reproduce the issue. ok, i just built it from source (haven't done that in years, not as painful as it once was), but still the same issue. >> are you using magnet? > No. ok, i'm not sure how else to replicate it then. > The default bindings of what? Magnet? yes. > Does Emacs have support for this? i would think that any unbound key combinations should be passed to the operating system, and with the *unofficial* railwaycat build, it works. > What is the "railwaycat build"? https://github.com/railwaycat/homebrew-emacsmacport On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 10:11 AM Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> wrote: > Eric Blood <winkywooster@gmail.com> writes: > > > greetings stefan.. > > > > i just pulled down a recent release of emacs ( > > https://emacsformacosx.com/emacs-builds/Emacs-29.1-1-universal.dmg), > > started with `~/Downloads/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs -q`, and the > issue > > is still there. > > If this is a third-party build, so I'd suggest reporting this to the > Emacs for MacOSX developers first. > > Alternatively, you could try building Emacs from source and see if you > can reproduce the issue. > > > are you using magnet? > > No. > > > the default bindings of ctrl-opt-leftarrow or ctrl-opt-rightarrow > > (using mac keyboard nomenclature) to move the window to the left or > > right of the screen don't work. > > The default bindings of what? Magnet? > > Does Emacs have support for this? > > > if i type ctrl-opt-x, the minibuffer reports "C-M-x is undefined", but > > doesn't say anything when i type ctrl-opt-leftarrow or > > ctrl-opt-rightarrow. again, this does work with the railwaycat build > > (and the 15 other mac apps i have open). > > What is the "railwaycat build"? > > > i just verified i don't have any global shortcuts defined by going into > > system settings/keyboard shortcuts and defining ctrl-opt-leftarrow to > show > > notification center. it doesn't show a conflict with any other > shortcuts, > > and it overrides the magnet binding and shows notification center. > > Thanks. > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3566 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#62962: 28.2; blocked key combinations in macos 2023-09-06 16:49 ` Eric Blood @ 2023-09-06 18:34 ` Stefan Kangas 2023-09-06 19:01 ` Gerd Möllmann ` (2 more replies) 2023-09-06 20:49 ` Alan Third 1 sibling, 3 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Stefan Kangas @ 2023-09-06 18:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Blood; +Cc: 62962 Eric Blood <winkywooster@gmail.com> writes: >> If this is a third-party build, so I'd suggest reporting this to the >> Emacs for MacOSX developers first. > > to be clear https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/download.html does > point to https://emacsformacosx.com/ which would indicate it's > official in some manner. even the `brew install --cask emacs` (which > the download page instructs) points to these builds. i didn't realize > it's not considered an offical build. Aha, I wasn't aware. It seems like they actually just build a stock Emacs, so I suppose that is fine, then. >> Alternatively, you could try building Emacs from source and see if >> you can reproduce the issue. > > ok, i just built it from source (haven't done that in years, not as > painful as it once was), but still the same issue. Thanks for testing. >> Does Emacs have support for this? > > i would think that any unbound key combinations should be passed to > the operating system, and with the *unofficial* railwaycat build, it > works. Is your suspicion here that the keys never reach Emacs, or is it that the special feature of the "Magnet" program that doesn't work like it should? >> What is the "railwaycat build"? > > https://github.com/railwaycat/homebrew-emacsmacport Noted, thanks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#62962: 28.2; blocked key combinations in macos 2023-09-06 18:34 ` Stefan Kangas @ 2023-09-06 19:01 ` Gerd Möllmann 2023-09-06 20:22 ` Gerd Möllmann 2023-09-09 23:27 ` Eric Blood 2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Gerd Möllmann @ 2023-09-06 19:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 62962 Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes: > Eric Blood <winkywooster@gmail.com> writes: > >>> If this is a third-party build, so I'd suggest reporting this to the >>> Emacs for MacOSX developers first. >> >> to be clear https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/download.html does >> point to https://emacsformacosx.com/ which would indicate it's >> official in some manner. even the `brew install --cask emacs` (which >> the download page instructs) points to these builds. i didn't realize >> it's not considered an offical build. > > Aha, I wasn't aware. It seems like they actually just build a stock > Emacs, so I suppose that is fine, then. > >>> Alternatively, you could try building Emacs from source and see if >>> you can reproduce the issue. >> >> ok, i just built it from source (haven't done that in years, not as >> painful as it once was), but still the same issue. > > Thanks for testing. > >>> Does Emacs have support for this? >> >> i would think that any unbound key combinations should be passed to >> the operating system, and with the *unofficial* railwaycat build, it >> works. > > Is your suspicion here that the keys never reach Emacs, or is it that > the special feature of the "Magnet" program that doesn't work like it > should? > >>> What is the "railwaycat build"? >> >> https://github.com/railwaycat/homebrew-emacsmacport > > Noted, thanks. Eric, maybe do a M-x customize-group RET ns RET, and look at the various "modifier" choices in the customize buffer. There are 2 for the two Option keys on the left and right side of the keyboard. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#62962: 28.2; blocked key combinations in macos 2023-09-06 18:34 ` Stefan Kangas 2023-09-06 19:01 ` Gerd Möllmann @ 2023-09-06 20:22 ` Gerd Möllmann 2023-09-09 23:27 ` Eric Blood 2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Gerd Möllmann @ 2023-09-06 20:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Kangas; +Cc: 62962, Eric Blood Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes: > Eric Blood <winkywooster@gmail.com> writes: > >>> If this is a third-party build, so I'd suggest reporting this to the >>> Emacs for MacOSX developers first. >> >> to be clear https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/download.html does >> point to https://emacsformacosx.com/ which would indicate it's >> official in some manner. even the `brew install --cask emacs` (which >> the download page instructs) points to these builds. i didn't realize >> it's not considered an offical build. > > Aha, I wasn't aware. It seems like they actually just build a stock > Emacs, so I suppose that is fine, then. > >>> Alternatively, you could try building Emacs from source and see if >>> you can reproduce the issue. >> >> ok, i just built it from source (haven't done that in years, not as >> painful as it once was), but still the same issue. > > Thanks for testing. > >>> Does Emacs have support for this? >> >> i would think that any unbound key combinations should be passed to >> the operating system, and with the *unofficial* railwaycat build, it >> works. > > Is your suspicion here that the keys never reach Emacs, or is it that > the special feature of the "Magnet" program that doesn't work like it > should? > >>> What is the "railwaycat build"? >> >> https://github.com/railwaycat/homebrew-emacsmacport > > Noted, thanks. Eric, maybe do a M-x customize-group RET ns RET, and look at the various "modifier" choices in the customize buffer. There are 2 for the two Option keys on the left and right side of the keyboard. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#62962: 28.2; blocked key combinations in macos 2023-09-06 18:34 ` Stefan Kangas 2023-09-06 19:01 ` Gerd Möllmann 2023-09-06 20:22 ` Gerd Möllmann @ 2023-09-09 23:27 ` Eric Blood 2023-09-10 5:15 ` Eli Zaretskii 2 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Eric Blood @ 2023-09-09 23:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Kangas; +Cc: 62962 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1891 bytes --] thanks for walking through all of that with me. i went back and tested another mac window manager app, rectangle (https://rectangleapp.com/), and it turns out with the same key combination that it works with the stock build of emacs. so it looks like magnet's method of moving windows, and not the key combination (thanks to alan for the correction), is the culprit here. again thanks for all the help, eric On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 12:34 PM Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> wrote: > Eric Blood <winkywooster@gmail.com> writes: > > >> If this is a third-party build, so I'd suggest reporting this to the > >> Emacs for MacOSX developers first. > > > > to be clear https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/download.html does > > point to https://emacsformacosx.com/ which would indicate it's > > official in some manner. even the `brew install --cask emacs` (which > > the download page instructs) points to these builds. i didn't realize > > it's not considered an offical build. > > Aha, I wasn't aware. It seems like they actually just build a stock > Emacs, so I suppose that is fine, then. > > >> Alternatively, you could try building Emacs from source and see if > >> you can reproduce the issue. > > > > ok, i just built it from source (haven't done that in years, not as > > painful as it once was), but still the same issue. > > Thanks for testing. > > >> Does Emacs have support for this? > > > > i would think that any unbound key combinations should be passed to > > the operating system, and with the *unofficial* railwaycat build, it > > works. > > Is your suspicion here that the keys never reach Emacs, or is it that > the special feature of the "Magnet" program that doesn't work like it > should? > > >> What is the "railwaycat build"? > > > > https://github.com/railwaycat/homebrew-emacsmacport > > Noted, thanks. > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2800 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#62962: 28.2; blocked key combinations in macos 2023-09-09 23:27 ` Eric Blood @ 2023-09-10 5:15 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-09-10 5:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Blood; +Cc: 62962-done, stefankangas > Cc: 62962@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Eric Blood <winkywooster@gmail.com> > Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 17:27:27 -0600 > > thanks for walking through all of that with me. i went back and tested another mac window manager > app, rectangle (https://rectangleapp.com/), and it turns out with the same key combination that it > works with the stock build of emacs. so it looks like magnet's method of moving windows, and not > the key combination (thanks to alan for the correction), is the culprit here. Thanks for telling us. I'm therefore closing this bug. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#62962: 28.2; blocked key combinations in macos 2023-09-06 16:49 ` Eric Blood 2023-09-06 18:34 ` Stefan Kangas @ 2023-09-06 20:49 ` Alan Third 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Alan Third @ 2023-09-06 20:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Blood; +Cc: 62962, Stefan Kangas On Wed, Sep 06, 2023 at 10:49:09AM -0600, Eric Blood wrote: > > Does Emacs have support for this? > > i would think that any unbound key combinations should be passed to > the operating system, and with the *unofficial* railwaycat build, it > works. This isn't how keyboard input works. The OS gets first refusal at keyboard input and then passes it to the application. The application doesn't then pass the input back, it either acts on it or doesn't. AFAIK there's no way to pass it back. I have no idea how magnet works. We've had occasional complaints about this over the years but nobody has ever been able to explain what we're doing wrong. The magnet website itself has about four pages, none of which are remotely helpful. -- Alan Third ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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