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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Adding threads to Eshell
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2022 09:05:11 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvtu1v4h5x.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7f4e3357-2c6a-a0d2-cab5-fb641b52877a@gmail.com> (Jim Porter's message of "Thu, 15 Dec 2022 18:37:09 -0800")

> lisp/eshell/esh-cmd.el).  This requires a lot of code to handle various Lisp
> special forms, and the allowed forms are fairly limited.  It also has a few
> bugs, likely due in part to being written before lexical binding.

I remember discussing this with John the one time we got to meet face to
face and him telling me that he didn't know the concept of
CPS-conversion back then :-)

> However, before I go too far, I wanted to check with other, more
> knowledgeable people: are Emacs threads available on all platforms?

I'll let others answer this part.  IIUC the answer is not "yes", but
like you I hope the cases where they're not supported can be simply
swept under the rug.

> A second issue I noticed is that Emacs threads have their own,
> completely separate set of lexical bindings.

Do you really mean *lexical* bindings?
If yes, then I don't understand what you mean (I don't understand how
they could be non-completely separate).

> Is it possible to tell a thread that I want to inherit the bindings
> from wherever I called 'make-thread'?

For statically scoped vars, this should already be the case because the
(lambda ....) you pass to `make-thread` will close over the surrounding
static scopes.

For dynamically scoped vars, you'd have to do it more explicitly.
Lisp Machine Lisp had an operation they called `closure` for that
purpose (they didn't have static scoping at all).
See https://hanshuebner.github.io/lmman/fd-clo.xml

I've had some fun writing an `lml.el` compatibility package which
includes support for that.  The corresponding part of the code is:

    (oclosure-define (lml-closure
                      (:predicate lml-closurep))
      bindings function)

    (defun lml--closure (bindings function)
      (oclosure-lambda (lml-closure (bindings bindings)
                                    (function function))
          (&rest args)
        (cl-progv (mapcar #'car bindings) (mapcar #'cdr bindings)
          (apply function args))))

    (defun lml-closure (varlist function)
      "Create a closure over the dynamic variables in VARLIST."
      (lml--closure (mapcar (lambda (v) (cons v (symbol-value v))) varlist)
                    function))


-- Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-16 14:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-16  2:37 [RFC] Adding threads to Eshell Jim Porter
2022-12-16 14:05 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2022-12-16 20:11   ` Jim Porter
2022-12-17  3:40     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-17  5:19       ` Jim Porter
2022-12-16 19:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-16 20:25   ` Jim Porter

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