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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Adding threads to Eshell
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2022 21:51:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83mt7ni0ub.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7f4e3357-2c6a-a0d2-cab5-fb641b52877a@gmail.com> (message from Jim Porter on Thu, 15 Dec 2022 18:37:09 -0800)

> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2022 18:37:09 -0800
> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com>
> 
> However, before I go too far, I wanted to check with other, more 
> knowledgeable people: are Emacs threads available on all platforms?

Yes.  The only known exception is MSDOS.

> It looks like it requires the pthreads library

pthreads are required only on Posix platforms; on Windows we use
Windows-specific APIs instead.  See systhread.c.

> (though my understanding was 
> that Emacs threads aren't "real" threads, since there's no good way to 
> avoid data races with globals).

No, they are real threads.  You can see them with any OS-level tool
that can examine threads.  We just let only a single one of these
threads to run at any given time (well, with the exception of very
short time windows).

> A second issue I noticed is that Emacs threads have their own, 
> completely separate set of lexical bindings.

Not lexical bindings: local bindings.  That is, if you let-bind a
variable, that binding is only seen in the thread that performed the
binding.

> Is it possible to tell a thread that I want to inherit the bindings
> from wherever I called 'make-thread'?

Global bindings are always shared.

> I might be able to avoid this issue, but it would be nice to be able
> to let-bind some defvars and then pass those bindings to an Eshell
> command to do its thing.

If that is what you want, you will have to pass those bindings as
arguments to the thread function.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-12-16 19:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-16  2:37 [RFC] Adding threads to Eshell Jim Porter
2022-12-16 14:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-16 20:11   ` Jim Porter
2022-12-17  3:40     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-17  5:19       ` Jim Porter
2022-12-16 19:51 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2022-12-16 20:25   ` Jim Porter

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