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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: master cc29fab3a6: Redisplay "invisible" frames that are actually visible on modern X
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2022 10:29:19 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvpmc47u66.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83o7rp0xn1.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 27 Dec 2022 15:44:18 +0200")

>> FWIW, while this sounds about right for `icon`ified frames, for those
>> frames that are marked as actually invisible, I think we should try and
>> keep them as invisible as possible.
>
> I'm not sure I agree.  I believe this could belong to some new GUI
> ideas (all of which are invariably copy-cat'ed from MS-Windows ;-),
> whereby you have a means of showing a small-but-still-readable image
> of an otherwise invisible frame, e.g., by hovering the mouse above
> some desktop icon or widget.

If there's some representation of that frame somewhere on the screen,
then I think it belongs in the `icon`ified state, not the
`invisible` state.

> If that is the intent,

In my experience the intent of `invisible` frames is for them to be
literally invisible as if the frame did not exist at all.
Quoting from the docstring of `make-frame-invisible`:

    On graphical displays, invisible frames are not updated and are
    usually not displayed at all, even in a window system’s "taskbar".

> But I do think this should be an optional feature (we could argue
> later about the defaults).  In an Emacs session with a dozen
> invisible/iconified frames, updating those frames without the user's
> say-so could be a misfeature and a performance hit.

Hmm... didn't think of that aspect, but indeed, my Emacs sessions usually
grow to around a hundred frames, the vast majority of which are `icon`ified.
The usual redisplay optimizations should hopefully keep the performance
impact in check, tho (except for those iconified frames that display
a buffer that's changed in the background, I guess).

Rather than rely on "optional feature", would it be possible to rely on
"expose events" to detect when an iconified frame needs to be updated?


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-27 15:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <167204147913.11300.799159655252309055@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <20221226075759.AAF44C00613@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org>
2022-12-26 14:04   ` master cc29fab3a6: Redisplay "invisible" frames that are actually visible on modern X Stefan Monnier
2022-12-26 16:45     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-12-27 13:44     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-27 15:29       ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2022-12-27 16:48         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-27 17:14           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-27 17:42         ` [External] : " Drew Adams

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