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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Okamsn <okamsn@protonmail.com>
Cc: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Adding the `prescient` packages to NonGNU ELPA?
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 10:08:25 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwva63w8w2h.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6cda848d-07da-9d8c-fd40-75727915ba3c@protonmail.com> (okamsn@protonmail.com's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2022 03:58:47 +0000")

> If you are asking whether I add the Git repository itself to the load
> path for testing packages, I do not. Instead, I have been using
> Straight.el (https://github.com/radian-software/straight.el) to install
> development versions of packages, which can download the repository once
> but only install the files and needed dependencies (according to a
> specification) by linking/copying those compiled files to another
> directory, which is then added to the load path.

Ah, so `straight` relies on linking/copying the files.
Do things like `C-h f` still jump to the actual VCS-controlled source?

How does it make sure the copies are updated/sync'd when you edit the
VCS-controlled sources?

> For Prescient in particular, it makes sense to have the files in a
> single repository, since a change in the main file can mean changes in
> the extension files and vice versa (as a single conceptual step in
> development). However, testing the development version of an extension
> for one UI (such as for Vertico) doesn't necessarily mean wanting to use
> the development version of another UI's extension (such as for Company)
> or wanting to install another extension's dependee UI package (such as
> Selectrum, which was soft-deprecated in favor of Vertico).

I think in the context of `package-vc` the cleanest way to support some
of that would be to require that the different subpackages's files live
in different subdirectories of the repository (so we can add/remove them
from `load-path` independently).

[ I also note a tension here: on the one hand you say that the
  development is sufficiently tightly linked that you may want to change
  several subpackages in a single commit , but on the other you want to
  be able to use different versions of different subpackages at the same
  time which requires a looser coupling.  ]

> Is this what you are asking?

Yes, exactly, thank you.

> Really, I was wanting to ask whether package-vc installs all of the
> ELisp files in a repository or whether it installs the files according

It does a `git clone`, creates the *-pkg.el and *-autoloads.el files,
compiles the files and adds them to `load-path`.  So you run your code
straight :-) from the VCS clone.

> to the ELPA spec or a provided spec. I see that the user option
> `package-vc-selected-packages` does not mention the `:ignored-files`
> entry that the ELPA spec uses, so I was wondering.

Indeed, it does not support things like `:ignored-files` or
`.elpaignore` or `:renames`.


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-09 15:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-20  3:27 Adding the `prescient` packages to NonGNU ELPA? Okamsn
2022-11-20  9:24 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-20 11:23   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-20 15:19     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-20 15:41       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-21 21:17         ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-22 13:53           ` Akib Azmain Turja
2022-11-23 23:12             ` okamsn
2022-11-26  0:50               ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-20 17:10   ` Visuwesh
2022-11-20 18:39     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-16  9:41     ` North Year
2022-12-16 19:25       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-17  3:28         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-17  9:17           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-17 15:52             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-17 16:07               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-17 16:24                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-17 18:01                   ` Okamsn
2022-12-17 18:08                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-17 18:39                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-20  1:32                       ` Okamsn
2022-12-20  3:10                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-20 17:42   ` Okamsn
2022-12-05  0:27     ` Okamsn
2022-12-05 15:21       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-09  3:58         ` Okamsn
2022-12-09 15:08           ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2022-12-09 15:27             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-10  4:10             ` Richard Kim
2022-12-10 15:12               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-10 16:38                 ` Richard Kim
2022-12-10 17:44                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-05 17:21       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-16  2:04         ` Okamsn
2022-12-16 19:26           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-22 15:41   ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-11-22 21:09     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-23  9:56       ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-11-23 12:33         ` Stefan Monnier

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