From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: philipk@posteo.net, danny@dfreeman.email, stefankangas@gmail.com,
emacs-devel@gnu.org, manuel.uberti@inventati.org
Subject: Re: New Package for NonGNU-ELPA: clojure-ts-mode
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 15:59:23 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e2a9c9b0-e95f-36da-8050-d7ee618f573f@gutov.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83r0nok8s4.fsf@gnu.org>
On 27/08/2023 14:46, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 14:07:29 +0300
>> Cc: philipk@posteo.net, danny@dfreeman.email, stefankangas@gmail.com,
>> emacs-devel@gnu.org, manuel.uberti@inventati.org
>> From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
>>
>>> But the important part is what was said many times in this and other
>>> similar discussions: those who want these deep changes are invited to
>>> step up and become Emacs (co)-maintainers, and then make the changes
>>> and actually use them for Emacs development, instead of telling others
>>> how to do their jobs.
>>
>> If the cost is taking over entirely and dedicating 7+ hours every day to
>> Emacs (as you said you do), this is obviously a prohibitive barrier.
>
> The real costs will not be known until you actually do it. I hope
> it's not more, but it could well be less, especially if enough people
> come on board.
Naturally. But I'm already "on board", aren't I? Just in the areas I
know and for the number of hours that I can dedicate now.
>> I don't think it's a reasonable ask when I'm just talking about
>> using a real bug tracker, for example.
>
> It is definitely _un_reasonable to suggest/demand such changes when
> you are doing nothing in practice towards that goal.
What do you want me to do? Set up a standalone Bugzilla installation for
people to try out? There is an existing demo at
https://bugzilla-dev.allizom.org/home.
Create a migration script from the Debbugs database to Bugzilla's
format? I could probably do that too. But that would result in nothing
without the leadership's buy-in, just like our Gitlab instance is
stagnating for a couple of years now.
>>> It is at least unfair to expect us to do our
>>> job well, and then tell us how to do it and what tools to use for it.
>>> And that is even before we recall that those alternative tools are
>>> either semi-broken or lack important features (or both) that the
>>> existing "obsolete" tools offer us basically for zero cost.
>>
>> The existing tools "lack important features" to such a degree that it's
>> not even funny.
>
> "Important" for whom? We are doing a reasonable job with them, given
> the available human resources, don't we? Bugs are triaged,
> investigated, and most of them fixed; patches are reviewed, commented,
> and installed. We'd love better tools -- who won't? -- but every tool
> we examined until now had important gaps.
Important for allowing more people participate in the conversations.
>> And the cost is not zero, the cost is the people that never set foot
>> in our community.
>
> That cost is largely imaginary, and "never set foot" is an
> exaggeration. The same was said about the switch to Git, for example,
> but the situation hasn't changed much, if the number of active
> maintainers/developers is concerned. It is better, but only slightly
> so.
I think you're failing to adjust for natural attrition.
And the effect will naturally be smaller when only one difficult part of
the workflow is replaced, while other remain. It's just like with other
performance optimizations.
>>> And none of the alternatives withstood the test of time and/or the
>>> magnitude of the project.
>>
>> Should we mention other big projects? GNOME? Firefox? Emacs is complex
>> but not that unique.
>
> If someone has intimate knowledge about those, then yes, I'd be
> interested to hear an objective comparison. Until then, here are the
> facts I could gather:
>
> . GNOME:
> - started in 1997
> - 2 million lines of C
> - release schedule: every 6 months
> . Firefox
> - started in 2002
> - 2.4 million lines of C, C++, and Javascript
> - release schedule: every 4 weeks
I haven't had a chance to look at GNOME in detail (it has many
components), but Firefox has 20 million lines of code as described in
https://hacks.mozilla.org/2020/04/code-quality-tools-at-mozilla/.
And here's the top of the output from an old checkout of gecko-dev as
some practical evidence (cloc . --not-match-f=".*_min.js"
--exclude-dir=third_party):
247735 text files.
232537 unique files.
23226 files ignored.
Language files blank comment code
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
JavaScript 72091 1147845 1682166 5270157
HTML 89800 458806 104456 4062841
C++ 9635 704273 573546 3908919
Text 3865 56888 0 3344737
C/C++ Header 13302 422961 797052 1987545
C 2895 229775 288698 1461583
JSON 1480 864 0 1003811
Python 3491 100201 103750 425069
XML 2673 4964 1833 332396
Rust 841 36145 41359 273443
There are 2 million lines of Rust in the third_party dir that I skipped;
it's hard to delineate attribution there. These are many bundled
external repositories: some of them third-party libs indeed, but many
are also either part of Servo (an old project of Mozilla), or utility
libs developed for Mozilla externally. Not sure which total fraction,
though.
> . Emacs:
> - started in 1986
> - 3 million lines of C and Lisp
> - release schedule: roughly every 9 months
And for Emacs:
5332 text files.
3720 unique files.
3768 files ignored.
Lisp 2281 199969 245681 1637882
C 367 87344 102056 412372
Text 56 9680 0 323232
C/C++ Header 292 15336 25859 76814
Bourne Shell 37 13036 6386 58332
TNSDL 1 0 0 42864
m4 147 2054 1261 22642
Objective-C 10 4291 2832 18917
TeX 28 4021 6237 18263
make 49 2463 2827 8731
C++ 23 1865 858 7700
Java 41 2769 2568 7622
(If we substract cedet, org and gnus, for Lisp the number of code lines
will be 1372496).
Perhaps Lisp is denser than JavaScript or C, and et cetera, but it's
hard to argue that Emacs is more complex, or even comparable, to
Firefox. And if they reached this size in 20 years rather than 40, it's
an evidence to better productivity rather than the opposite, right?
> What is missing is the number of active developers in each project
> (which requires a definition of "active developer"), the means and
> tools they use for issue tracking, and whatever else is relevant.
According to
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/the-new-firefox-by-the-numbers/
(article from 2017),
> 700 authors contributed code to Firefox over ~1 year
80 of them were volunteers, "contributors from all over the world".
and by those 700 authors:
75,342 files changed
4,888,199 lines were added
6,886,199 lines were changed
The more recent article (link earlier in this email) says that they're
using Phabricator for code reviews and an in-house CI system. I can't
comment on either of these systems.
There is a whole lot of organization around this project, but since
we're actually much smaller, I don't know how much of it will be
relevant enough to get into researching.
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2023-08-12 18:35 New Package for NonGNU-ELPA: clojure-ts-mode Danny Freeman
2023-08-12 19:10 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-12 19:12 ` Danny Freeman
2023-08-12 20:31 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-13 2:05 ` Danny Freeman
2023-08-13 5:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-13 13:02 ` Danny Freeman
2023-08-13 13:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-13 13:35 ` Danny Freeman
2023-08-13 14:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-14 13:14 ` Danny Freeman
2023-08-23 12:55 ` Danny Freeman
2023-08-24 16:20 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-25 1:47 ` Danny Freeman
2023-08-25 7:20 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-25 1:11 ` Clojure mode Richard Stallman
2023-08-25 7:25 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-26 2:05 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-26 7:16 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-26 13:48 ` Danny Freeman
2023-08-26 15:24 ` Manuel Uberti
2023-08-26 14:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-27 1:35 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-27 1:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-27 18:55 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-08-27 18:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-27 19:08 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-08-27 19:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-28 16:35 ` chad
2023-08-28 17:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-28 20:51 ` chad
2023-08-28 22:03 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-29 3:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-08-29 11:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-29 20:13 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-29 20:24 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-29 20:31 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-29 20:43 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-30 7:26 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-30 15:33 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-30 11:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-30 11:51 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-30 12:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-30 12:25 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-30 13:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-30 19:26 ` package-autosuggest Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-30 23:13 ` package-autosuggest Stefan Monnier
2023-08-31 5:38 ` package-autosuggest Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-31 12:50 ` package-autosuggest Stefan Monnier
2023-08-31 8:34 ` package-autosuggest Eshel Yaron
2023-08-31 17:40 ` package-autosuggest Stefan Monnier
2023-08-31 18:26 ` package-autosuggest Eshel Yaron
2023-08-31 21:09 ` package-autosuggest Stefan Kangas
2023-09-01 7:01 ` package-autosuggest Eshel Yaron
2023-09-01 14:40 ` package-autosuggest Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-01 15:20 ` package-autosuggest Stefan Monnier
2023-09-01 15:47 ` package-autosuggest Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-03 19:25 ` package-autosuggest chad
2023-09-04 16:10 ` package-autosuggest Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-29 13:47 ` Clojure mode Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-31 2:07 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-31 11:50 ` Gregor Zattler
2023-08-31 2:07 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-31 5:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-31 6:10 ` Bundling ELPA packages with Emacs Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-31 6:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-29 1:52 ` Clojure mode Richard Stallman
2023-08-29 1:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-29 1:59 ` Danny Freeman
2023-08-29 21:09 ` Brand new clojure support in Emacs ;-) João Távora
2023-08-30 7:17 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-30 9:24 ` João Távora
2023-08-30 10:15 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-30 21:47 ` João Távora
2023-08-31 5:43 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-31 6:46 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2023-08-31 7:01 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-31 8:50 ` João Távora
2023-09-03 15:09 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-03 15:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-04 1:27 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-04 11:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-07 1:20 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-07 8:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-07 9:04 ` João Távora
2023-09-04 12:40 ` João Távora
2023-09-03 15:04 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-03 15:19 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-03 15:37 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-03 16:03 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-03 21:06 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-03 22:29 ` João Távora
2023-09-04 5:19 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-03 16:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-03 20:59 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-03 23:36 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-04 5:22 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-04 2:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-06 12:02 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-03 16:17 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-03 15:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-03 15:52 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-07 1:21 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-01 1:16 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-01 1:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-01 6:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-01 9:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-01 10:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-01 13:05 ` Danny Freeman
2023-09-01 13:29 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-09-01 13:34 ` Danny Freeman
2023-09-03 15:15 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-03 15:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-03 15:54 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-03 16:28 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-09-01 15:51 ` João Távora
2023-09-01 15:53 ` Danny Freeman
2023-09-01 17:10 ` Yuan Fu
2023-09-01 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-03 16:53 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-09-03 17:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-03 17:16 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-09-03 17:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-06 13:11 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-09-06 16:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-05 0:28 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-03 17:09 ` João Távora
2023-09-01 17:51 ` João Távora
2023-09-01 18:12 ` João Távora
2023-09-03 15:29 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-03 16:07 ` João Távora
2023-09-03 18:37 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-03 19:30 ` João Távora
2023-09-03 20:38 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-03 22:21 ` João Távora
2023-09-04 5:16 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-04 8:25 ` João Távora
2023-09-04 8:42 ` Po Lu
2023-09-04 8:52 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-04 8:48 ` Clojure Mode in Emacs - an exercise in counter-productive communication Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-04 8:55 ` João Távora
2023-09-04 12:29 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-04 12:35 ` João Távora
2023-09-04 12:40 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-04 12:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-04 12:20 ` Brand new clojure support in Emacs ;-) Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-01 18:39 ` Danny Freeman
2023-09-01 19:25 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-02 6:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-06 2:42 ` Danny Freeman
2023-09-06 7:23 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-02 9:14 ` João Távora
2023-09-03 8:33 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-03 8:54 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-03 9:09 ` João Távora
2023-09-03 14:52 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-03 9:10 ` Po Lu
2023-09-03 14:51 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-03 14:58 ` Po Lu
2023-09-03 10:13 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-03 15:46 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-03 15:46 ` João Távora
2023-09-03 15:55 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-03 16:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-03 20:45 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-04 2:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-03 16:20 ` João Távora
2023-09-04 6:08 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-09-04 6:44 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-07 1:20 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-03 16:28 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-01 13:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-01 14:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-01 14:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-04 1:30 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-01 16:22 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-09-01 10:14 ` João Távora
2023-09-03 15:01 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-08-24 20:21 ` New Package for NonGNU-ELPA: clojure-ts-mode Stefan Kangas
2023-08-25 1:58 ` Danny Freeman
2023-08-25 5:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-26 18:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-26 19:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-26 19:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-26 19:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-26 19:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-27 4:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-27 4:28 ` Po Lu
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2023-08-26 21:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2023-08-27 11:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-27 11:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-27 12:13 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-27 12:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-27 12:22 ` Po Lu
2023-08-27 12:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-27 12:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-27 12:57 ` Po Lu
2023-08-27 13:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-27 13:25 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-27 13:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-27 14:13 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-27 16:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-27 17:38 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-08-27 17:41 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-08-27 17:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-27 18:40 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-08-27 18:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-27 18:43 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-08-27 18:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-27 19:05 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-27 19:55 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-28 0:31 ` Po Lu
2023-08-28 4:18 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-08-28 4:51 ` Po Lu
2023-08-28 7:03 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-08-28 12:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-28 15:22 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-08-28 16:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-28 20:03 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-08-28 20:56 ` Danny Freeman
2023-08-28 21:42 ` João Távora
2023-08-28 21:56 ` Danny Freeman
2023-08-28 22:50 ` João Távora
2023-08-29 1:20 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-08-29 2:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-29 7:33 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-08-29 11:33 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-29 12:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-29 13:58 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2023-08-31 2:08 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-31 12:51 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-08-27 21:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-28 11:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-27 13:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-27 14:03 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-27 15:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-31 10:11 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 10:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-31 10:32 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 10:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-31 11:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 11:41 ` Po Lu
2023-08-31 12:00 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 12:34 ` Po Lu
2023-08-31 12:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 12:55 ` Po Lu
2023-08-31 13:02 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 13:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-31 13:20 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 13:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-31 13:29 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 13:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-31 13:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-31 12:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-31 12:59 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 13:19 ` Po Lu
2023-08-31 13:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-31 13:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 14:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-01 9:37 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 15:05 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-08-31 16:18 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 16:25 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-09-02 1:52 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-02 8:23 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-02 10:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-27 21:43 ` Emacs release cadence Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-28 12:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-28 23:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-29 13:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-29 16:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-30 3:51 ` brickviking
2023-08-27 13:31 ` New Package for NonGNU-ELPA: clojure-ts-mode Po Lu
2023-08-27 13:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-27 12:59 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2023-08-27 13:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-27 18:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-27 18:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-27 21:15 ` Choice of bug tracker Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-28 11:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-28 16:58 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-28 21:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-29 11:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-29 11:58 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-29 12:06 ` Po Lu
2023-08-31 10:34 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 10:44 ` brickviking
2023-08-31 10:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 10:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-31 11:03 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 12:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-31 13:04 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 20:44 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-31 20:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-31 21:17 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-02 1:51 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-02 8:33 ` Drifting away from thread topic in large email discussions (was: Choice of bug tracker) Ihor Radchenko
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2023-08-31 12:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-02 1:52 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-31 11:37 ` Po Lu
2023-08-29 12:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-01 1:17 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-30 0:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-30 11:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-30 20:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-31 7:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-31 14:09 ` Michael Albinus
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2023-09-01 4:20 ` Yuan Fu
2023-09-01 9:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2023-09-01 10:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-31 14:54 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
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2023-09-01 0:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-01 7:15 ` Visuwesh
2023-09-01 9:10 ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
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2023-09-01 12:37 ` Visuwesh
2023-09-01 10:18 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-01 12:16 ` Michael Albinus
2023-09-01 13:17 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-01 13:41 ` Michael Albinus
2023-09-01 13:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-06 16:44 ` Corwin Brust
2023-09-06 16:54 ` Michael Albinus
2023-09-01 13:24 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-01 7:59 ` Hugo Thunnissen
2023-09-01 8:23 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-01 9:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-02 1:52 ` Richard Stallman
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2023-08-29 20:07 ` João Távora
2023-08-29 20:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-30 18:03 ` Stefan Kangas
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2023-09-02 1:52 ` Richard Stallman
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