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From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
To: tomas@tuxteam.de
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Builder, a build system integration for Emacs
Date: Thu, 25 May 2023 06:53:56 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <beae68ea91318e085b3e@heytings.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZG7dTDSFOB3kJ2ab@tuxteam.de>


>> Cargo is a program that runs locally, not a server.  It works like 
>> make, except that it may communicate with the crates.io repository, to 
>> fetch a copy of the source code (and the license) of the libraries you 
>> need to build a given Rust program, and that are not yet available 
>> locally.
>
> ... akin to npm (the Node package manager of the Javascript world), it 
> downloads half of the Internet while building and makes your life 
> miserable if you want to avoid that.
>
> The new models just make it slightly more inconvenient to stay free.
>

You are spreading FUD.  When you want to compile, say, Emacs, you need to 
either download the binaries of the libraries that are not yet available 
locally and their headers, or download the source of these libraries and 
build them.  Doing that does not "donwload half of the Internet".  After 
this you need to run the "configure" script which checks which libraries 
(and sometimes which versions of these libraries) are available.

Cargo does all that for you.

>
> Can we call this pattern neo-proprietary?
>

No, we cannot.  There is no relation whatsoever between software 
proprietariness and this elegant solution to the problem of library 
dependencies.




  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-25  6:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-21 10:21 [PROPOSAL] Builder, a build system integration for Emacs BTuin
2023-05-21 12:11 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-21 14:56   ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-21 17:24 ` Jim Porter
2023-05-21 19:33   ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-21 19:58     ` Jim Porter
2023-05-21 21:36       ` John Yates
2023-05-22 16:35       ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-23  0:44         ` Po Lu
2023-05-23 21:10           ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-23 21:17             ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-05-24  6:09             ` Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2023-05-24 21:35               ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-24 23:32                 ` Jim Porter
2023-05-25  0:11                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25  4:00                   ` tomas
2023-05-25  6:53                     ` Gregory Heytings [this message]
2023-05-25  7:48                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-25  9:33                         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25 11:28                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-25 11:53                             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25 13:09                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-25 14:36                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25 16:20                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-25 16:40                                     ` tomas
2023-05-25 19:23                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-26  0:57                                       ` Po Lu
2023-05-27  0:24                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-26  5:57                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-26 21:16                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-27  0:25                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-28 10:20                                           ` Madhu
2023-05-28 12:38                                             ` Po Lu
2023-05-29 22:03                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-29 22:42                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-05-30  7:26                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-30 12:54                                                     ` Po Lu
2023-05-30 15:08                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-30 16:50                                                         ` chad
2023-05-31  1:14                                                         ` Po Lu
2023-06-05  1:09                                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-05  5:29                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-06-05  8:17                                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-05  9:06                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-06-17  3:34                                                                   ` Yilkal Argaw
2023-05-27 14:55                                         ` Brian Cully via Emacs development discussions.
2023-05-26  0:54                                   ` Po Lu
2023-05-26 21:16                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-27  0:26                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-27  2:37                                       ` Ruijie Yu via Emacs development discussions.
2023-05-28 21:48                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-29 22:05                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-30 13:01                                           ` Po Lu
2023-05-30 15:08                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-31  1:16                                               ` Po Lu
2023-06-02 21:38                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-05  1:10                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-05  5:19                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-06-05  8:17                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-05  9:00                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-05-31 22:28                                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-30 21:52                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-28 21:48                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-25 13:16                         ` chad
2023-05-25 19:38                           ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-26 21:32                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-27  9:45                             ` Yuri Khan
2023-05-28 21:48                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-29  8:03                                 ` Yuri Khan
2023-05-30 21:47                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-25  7:55                       ` tomas
2023-05-25  8:44                         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25 10:38                       ` Po Lu
2023-05-25 11:44                         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25 12:02                           ` Po Lu
2023-05-25 12:08                             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-26  0:52                               ` Po Lu
2023-05-26 21:16                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-27  0:26                             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-28 21:47                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-29 22:05                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-30 13:03                                   ` Po Lu
2023-05-31 22:29                                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-26 22:59                       ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-05-28 21:22                         ` Björn Bidar
2023-05-29 22:38                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-29 22:38                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-30  4:28                             ` tomas
2023-05-25 10:42             ` Po Lu
2023-05-25 19:36               ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-22 22:00 ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-23  8:36   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-23 11:18     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-23 12:13       ` Po Lu
2023-05-23 18:46       ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-24  6:32         ` Juri Linkov
2023-05-24 20:09           ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-24  3:34     ` David Masterson
2023-05-24 10:26       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-28 21:17     ` Björn Bidar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-05-27  7:12 [PROPOSAL] " Payas Relekar

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