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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org>, Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org>
Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: [External] : Re: completing-read depricated initial-input
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 16:25:42 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB5488483EDB6765BEE67E1215F3B59@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87letnhhj3.fsf@gnu.org>

> You have to delete the initial input if it's not what
> you want or if you want to see the other possibilities.

That's akin to the arguments pro/con
`delete-selection-mode'.  One person says
she wants to be able to immediately type to
replace/delete, without first having to use
`C-w'.  Another person says she prefers to
always explicitly use `C-w' first, and not
have Emacs automatically delete selected
text by default.

Au choix - vive la difference.  You get to
choose.

> So basically all occurrences

"Basically"? or "all"?  Do you mean not all
but most/generally?  Or do you mean all, so
not just basically?

I guess you mean almost all, aka _not_ all.

> where INITIAL-INPUT is used as a kind of default
> value are better handled with the DEF argument.

Sounds a bit circular.  That just says that DEF
is a better default-value behavior.  Initial
input isn't the same as a default value.  The
behavior/effect is different.

> The only places where I can see it's useful is when all possible
> completions have a common prefix and that is given as initial-input
> (but then you only save one TAB) or with completing-read-multiple when it's
> highly likely that the user wants to use the defaults given as
> initial-input and just insert some more.  (completing-read-multiple
> doesn't explicitly state that INITIAL-INPUT is deprecated.)

The behavior of INITIAL-INPUT differs from that
of DEF.  That's enough to point to different uses.

Unless, that is, you can convince all that the
DEF behavior is always preferable - for all users,
all calls to `completing-read', and all contexts.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-06-23 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-21  7:56 completing-read depricated initial-input carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
     [not found] ` <N54Fw5q--3-2@tutanota.com-N54INof----2>
2022-06-21  9:51   ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-06-21 11:19     ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-06-21 12:39       ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-21 12:46         ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-06-21 14:04           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-21 14:10             ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-06-21 14:49               ` Drew Adams
2022-06-22  8:50     ` Jean Louis
2022-06-22  9:32       ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-21 10:26 ` Robert Pluim
2022-06-21 11:15   ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-06-21 12:39 ` Christopher Dimech
2022-06-21 14:09   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-21 18:21     ` Arash Esbati
2022-06-21 19:04       ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-21 20:41       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-21 21:28         ` Arash Esbati
2022-06-21 22:07           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-21 22:56             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-22 13:43               ` Drew Adams
2022-06-22 15:59                 ` standard libraries again (was: Re: [External] : Re: completing-read depricated initial-input) Emanuel Berg
2022-06-22 17:39                   ` Drew Adams
2022-06-22 18:05                     ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-22 20:53                       ` Drew Adams
2022-06-22 21:18                         ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23  7:59             ` completing-read depricated initial-input Arash Esbati
2022-06-23 10:06               ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-06-23 20:57                 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 11:19               ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-06-23 12:12                 ` Arash Esbati
2022-06-23 14:52                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-06-23 16:30                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-23 16:41                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-06-23 18:27                         ` Christopher Dimech
2022-06-23 21:14                         ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 18:25                       ` RE: [External] : " Christopher Dimech
2022-06-23 21:13                       ` [External] : " Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 21:07                     ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 21:06                   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 14:36                 ` Jean Louis
2022-06-24  2:35                   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-24  6:59                     ` Jean Louis
2022-06-23 15:19                 ` Jean Louis
2022-06-23 15:24                 ` Jean Louis
2022-06-23 21:05                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-23 22:10                   ` Christopher Dimech
2022-06-23 22:19                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-23 22:28                       ` Christopher Dimech
2022-06-24  7:08                     ` Jean Louis
2022-06-24  8:19                       ` Christopher Dimech
2022-06-24 11:00                         ` Jean Louis
2022-06-24 16:58                           ` Christopher Dimech
2022-06-24  8:19                       ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-24 11:31                         ` Jean Louis
2022-06-25 18:54                           ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-25 19:51                             ` Jean Louis
2022-06-26 17:36                               ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-24 14:30                         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-24 19:33                           ` RE: [External] : " Christopher Dimech
2022-06-25 19:12                           ` [External] : " Emanuel Berg
2022-06-25 21:26                             ` Drew Adams
2022-06-26 17:39                               ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-26 22:22                                 ` Drew Adams
2022-06-26 22:42                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-24  0:10                   ` Drew Adams
2022-06-24  8:09                     ` RE: [External] : " Christopher Dimech
2022-06-24  2:29                   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 16:23               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-23 20:58                 ` Arash Esbati
2022-06-23 21:54                   ` Christopher Dimech
2022-06-24  2:49                   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-22  3:09           ` Po Lu
2022-06-22  3:46             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-22  4:56             ` Christopher Dimech
2022-06-23  8:20             ` Arash Esbati
2022-06-23  8:27               ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23  8:57                 ` Tassilo Horn
2022-06-23 10:10                   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 11:26                     ` Tassilo Horn
2022-06-23 11:48                       ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-06-23 21:38                         ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-24  8:03                           ` Christopher Dimech
2022-06-23 21:34                       ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 11:58                     ` Arash Esbati
2022-06-23 12:10                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-23 14:26                         ` Tassilo Horn
2022-06-23 14:46                           ` Arash Esbati
2022-06-23 15:18                             ` Robert Pluim
2022-06-23 20:46                               ` Arash Esbati
2022-06-24  8:40                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-06-24  2:22                             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-24  2:17                           ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 21:49                         ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 21:42                       ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 16:25                   ` Drew Adams [this message]
2022-06-23 19:56                     ` [External] : " Tassilo Horn
2022-06-24 11:23                       ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-06-24 11:36                         ` Jean Louis
2022-06-25 19:01                           ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-25 21:26                             ` Drew Adams
2022-06-22  2:59         ` RE: [External] : " Christopher Dimech

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