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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Lynn Winebarger <owinebar@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Grammar checking
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 01:13:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1pp087-0004Uo-8q@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAM=F=bAR73NUS5FDoxQPRUcDJN2_V2qE7R0WxoBqT_PBz+5b6A@mail.gmail.com> (message from Lynn Winebarger on Sat, 8 Apr 2023 11:20:45 -0400)

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  > I'm attempting to refer to the project and/or development process
  > maintaining the primary distribution of the software.

I can see various meanings for that.
Do you mean that you want to talk about those things now
so you want to refer to them in your email?
Or do you mean that you want a free program's release materials
and documentation to refer to those things?

  > When a program
  > is distributed as free software, but the project that
  > develops/maintains/distributes that program exists in part or in whole
  > to promote either a proprietary or SaaSS version of the software, I do
  > not understand how the program and the project are effectively
  > distinguished for the purpose of Section 8 of the GNU coding
  > standards.

I think you have a valid point.  We could call it a "free program
with a moral shadow."

But we don't always have the luxury to reject them.
It could mean we can't compile the program we care about, not at all.
That would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

At most drastic, we could recommend that people avoid certain
languages whose tools have problems of this sort.

But just saying "compile Foo.blahlang" and including a make rule to do
it does not promote the Blah compiler very much.  So if the Blah
compiler has a moral shadow, it doesn't fall on the Foo program very
much.  Not if you don't talk much about the Blah language in the Foo
documentation (and why would/should you?).

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org)
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)





  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-19  5:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-29  3:00 jinx Richard Stallman
2023-03-29  9:02 ` jinx Philip Kaludercic
2023-03-31  4:29   ` jinx Richard Stallman
2023-03-31  7:15     ` jinx Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-01  3:11       ` jinx Richard Stallman
2023-04-01  6:01         ` jinx Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01 12:43           ` jinx Peter Oliver
2023-04-01 13:02             ` jinx Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01 13:21               ` jinx Peter Oliver
2023-04-01  8:54         ` jinx Augusto Stoffel
2023-03-29 22:46 ` jinx Michael Eliachevitch
2023-03-30  1:02   ` jinx João Pedro
2023-03-30  5:23   ` jinx Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-31  4:29   ` jinx Richard Stallman
2023-03-31  6:51     ` jinx Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-31  7:10       ` jinx Gregory Heytings
2023-03-31  7:15         ` Grammar checking (was: jinx) Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-31  7:47           ` Grammar checking Philip Kaludercic
2023-03-31  8:09             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-31  8:38               ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-03-31  9:02                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-31 11:37               ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-03-31 12:01                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-31 12:45                   ` Peter Oliver
2023-03-31 15:29                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-03-31 17:00                       ` Peter Oliver
2023-03-31 12:54               ` Peter Oliver
2023-03-31 13:09                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-31 11:23             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-31 12:12               ` Peter Oliver
2023-03-31 15:25               ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-03-31  8:40           ` Nasser Alkmim
2023-03-31  8:45             ` Michael Eliachevitch
2023-03-31 13:44               ` Felician Nemeth
2023-03-31 16:03               ` Peter Oliver
2023-03-31  8:48             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-04-01 12:59               ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-01 13:18                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-04-01 13:37                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01 17:30                   ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-01 17:35                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-02  3:12                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-04-02 15:24                   ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-03  3:05                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-04-03  3:05                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-04-06 12:29                       ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-08  3:28                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-04-08 13:33                           ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-08 13:23                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-08  3:28                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-04-08 14:23                           ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-08  3:28                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-04-08 15:20                           ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-19  5:13                             ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2023-04-09  9:02                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-09 12:31                             ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-22  2:22                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-04-23  2:25                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-04-23 14:14                                 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-03-31 10:59             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-02  3:11               ` Richard Stallman
2023-04-02  3:40                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-03-31 16:20           ` Grammar checking (was: jinx) João Távora
2023-04-05 13:05         ` jinx Rudolf Adamkovič
2023-04-05 18:37           ` jinx Philip Kaludercic
2023-03-31 18:33       ` jinx Arash Esbati
2023-03-31 19:11         ` jinx Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-31 19:35           ` jinx Arash Esbati
2023-04-01  7:20             ` jinx Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01  7:42               ` jinx Arash Esbati
2023-04-01  8:13                 ` jinx Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-02 11:29                   ` jinx Arash Esbati
2023-04-03 12:32                   ` jinx Michael Heerdegen
2023-04-03 13:51                     ` jinx Michael Eliachevitch
2023-04-03 14:26                     ` jinx Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-03 15:13                       ` jinx Michael Eliachevitch
2023-04-04  2:56                         ` jinx Richard Stallman
2023-04-04 12:27                           ` jinx Michael Heerdegen
2023-04-05  2:35                             ` jinx Richard Stallman
2023-04-05  9:02                               ` jinx Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-05 10:51                                 ` jinx Michael Heerdegen
2023-04-05 11:25                                   ` jinx Michael Heerdegen
2023-04-05 11:55                                     ` jinx Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-05 13:17                                       ` jinx Michael Heerdegen
2023-04-05  2:34                           ` jinx Richard Stallman
2023-04-05  7:58                             ` jinx Po Lu
2023-04-05  8:01                             ` jinx Arash Esbati
2023-04-05  8:15                               ` jinx Emanuel Berg
2023-04-01 13:11               ` jinx Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-01  8:32             ` jinx Augusto Stoffel
2023-04-01  8:29         ` jinx Augusto Stoffel
2023-04-01 11:21           ` jinx Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01 11:39             ` jinx Augusto Stoffel
2023-04-01 11:54               ` jinx Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01 12:32                 ` jinx Augusto Stoffel
2023-04-01 12:57                   ` jinx Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01  3:11       ` jinx Richard Stallman
2023-04-01  5:56         ` jinx Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01  8:35           ` jinx Augusto Stoffel
2023-04-01  8:25       ` jinx Emanuel Berg
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-03-31  7:46 Grammar checking Payas Relekar
2023-03-31 11:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-31 12:55   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-31 13:11     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-31 13:29       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-31 14:19         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-02  3:11       ` Richard Stallman
2023-03-31 12:59   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-31 13:20     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-31 13:59       ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-31 14:28         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-31 14:24       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-31 14:39         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01  6:52           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-01  7:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01  7:10               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-01  7:14                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01 13:09             ` Peter Oliver
2023-04-01 13:17               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-01 13:24                 ` Peter Oliver
2023-04-01 13:32                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-01 13:42                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01 13:41                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-03 13:02                     ` Peter Oliver
2023-03-31 10:03 Payas Relekar
2023-04-03  5:52 grammar checking Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-04-03 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-03 15:01   ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez

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