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From: Augusto Stoffel <arstoffel@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 59714@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	Manuel Uberti <manuel.uberti@inventati.org>
Subject: bug#59714: 30.0.50; (void-function cl-letf)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 21:13:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87iliwqjzd.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvk03ccjo4.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:45:18 -0500")

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 at 14:45, Stefan Monnier wrote:

>> So you must (require 'cl-lib) to be able to use cl-letf.
>
> Definitely.
> The `cl-loaddefs.el` is used to autoload things *after* that step, so
> that loading `cl-lib` doesn't need to eagerly load all the files that
> comprise `cl-lib`.

Okay, that explains many things...  FWIW, it has always confused me that
C-h f cl-letf RET says

    cl-letf is an autoloaded Lisp macro in ‘cl-macs.el’.

From a user perspective, the autoloadedness claim is definitely less
than 50% true.





  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-30 20:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-30  6:45 bug#59714: 30.0.50; (void-function cl-letf) Manuel Uberti via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-11-30 13:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-30 14:17 ` Augusto Stoffel
2022-11-30 16:06 ` Manuel Uberti via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-11-30 16:57   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-30 17:03     ` Manuel Uberti via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-11-30 17:05   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-30 19:45     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-11-30 20:13       ` Augusto Stoffel [this message]
2022-11-30 20:19         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-12-01  5:26 ` Manuel Uberti via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-12-01  7:32   ` Eli Zaretskii

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