From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Augusto Stoffel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#59714: 30.0.50; (void-function cl-letf) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 21:13:10 +0100 Message-ID: <87iliwqjzd.fsf@gmail.com> References: <83fse0jrti.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36042"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: 59714@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Manuel Uberti To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 30 21:14:19 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p0TTG-00097W-SM for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Wed, 30 Nov 2022 12:13:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:45:18 -0500") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:249566 Archived-At: On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 at 14:45, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> So you must (require 'cl-lib) to be able to use cl-letf. > > Definitely. > The `cl-loaddefs.el` is used to autoload things *after* that step, so > that loading `cl-lib` doesn't need to eagerly load all the files that > comprise `cl-lib`. Okay, that explains many things... FWIW, it has always confused me that C-h f cl-letf RET says cl-letf is an autoloaded Lisp macro in =E2=80=98cl-macs.el=E2=80=99. >From a user perspective, the autoloadedness claim is definitely less than 50% true.