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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: 59902@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#59902: 30.0.50; Image overlay is not updated until the cursor moves to the overlay
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 15:15:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83h6y0sqyo.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pmcpc940.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Mon, 12 Dec 2022 08:35:43 +0000)

> From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
> Cc: 59902@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 08:35:43 +0000
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > Then I don't think I understand what you expect Emacs to do in these
> > cases.  We have no idea when the image file is replaced, and cannot
> > have such an idea without examining the file at high enough frequency.
> > Doing this "from time to time" is going to miss some changes, or take
> > note of them too late.  What else is possible?
> 
> For example, `create-image' could accept optional argument to update the
> cached image if the file modification time is newer than it was when the
> image was cached.

Patches welcome.  We currently hash only the spec itself, and don't
pay attention to the file's meta-data.  (I also think that if we go
this way, file modification time alone could be insufficient for 100%
reliability, what with today's fast filesystems.)

> >> Yet, do note that flickering two different image versions when moving
> >> point is unexpected even considering the information you provided.
> >
> > Flickering is expected when you do something that affects a large
> > portion of the Emacs display.  For example, the same will happen if
> > you change a large overlay at high enough frequency.  There's no way
> > around that except not doing that.
> 
> Sorry, I used inaccurate word here.
> What I am referring to here is image overlay displayed old and new image
> when you move the cursor to the overlay and back repeatedly.

Yes, I understood.  My response is still the same.

> > Why was this implementation chosen for whatever feature that produces
> > images?  Emacs doesn't react instantly to changes in disk files that
> > it visits, and here you expect it to do so.  Isn't it possible to
> > implement this in some other way, like have the program produce its
> > image data in a temporary Emacs buffer, then use that buffer's
> > contents for creating an image?  Then I believe the updated image will
> > have a different hash value, and there will be no cache-related
> > collisions.
> 
> It could be possible, but looks like unnecessary complication.
> Also, creating buffers often creates overheads associated with user
> hooks.
> 
> I am not sure if something like
> 
> (let ((revert-without-query '(".")))
> 		      (with-current-buffer (find-file-noselect file)
>                         ;; Do not crown the buffer list.
>                         (unless (string-prefix-p " " (buffer-name))
>                           (setf (buffer-name) (concat " " (buffer-name))))
> 			(buffer-string)))
> 
> is not going to cause significant slowdowns.

Sorry, you lost me here: how is the above snippet relevant to what I
proposed as an alternative implementation?





  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-12 13:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-08 11:17 bug#59902: 30.0.50; Image overlay is not updated until the cursor moves to the overlay Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-08 11:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-08 11:52   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-08 14:03     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-08 14:10       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-08 18:51     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-08 19:27       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-08 20:24         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-10  9:57           ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-10 11:03             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-10 11:10               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-10 14:18                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-11  9:19                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-11 10:23                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-12  8:35                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-12 13:15                         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2022-12-15 10:24                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-15 10:49                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-15 10:53                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-15 10:58                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-15 11:05                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-15 11:16                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-15 11:20                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-15 13:16                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-15 13:23                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-15 14:25                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-15 14:31                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-08 19:18 ` William Denton

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