From: abq@bitrot.link
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Why is lexical-binding's global value ignored?
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2023 20:53:30 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <43216edcfeada34083e17a8230af2ee3@bitrot.link> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83bkmh96gc.fsf@gnu.org>
On 2023-01-28 23:54, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Wasn't that already explained? What happens if you say
>
> (setq-default lexical-binding t)
>
> and then load a Lisp file that expects dynamic-binding by default?
Then it breaks! As I wrote in my response to tomas: “In order to break
anything, you would have to do so explicitly, via (setq-default
lexical-binding t).”
Of course, nobody actually does that. Therefore, it would be safe to
honor the global value in Emacs 29.
And the reason nobody sets the global value is that currently it would
be pointless, because it isn't honored in Emacs 24 through 28.
There's no danger of anybody accidentally setting it with plain setq,
since it automatically becomes buffer local when set. You have to
purposefully shoot yourself in the foot with setq-default.
> IOW, the lack of lexical-binding: cookie in a file is interpreted as
> having an explicit "lexical-binding: nil" in that file, for the
> reasons Tomas explained.
But of course, dynamic binding isn't always used intentionally. It's
also often used in cases where the programmer gave no consideration to
the difference (and often, unconsciously intended lexical binding).
Since the longstanding, widespread computer science consensus is to
program using lexical binding except in special cases where dynamic
binding is intentionally chosen, it's sensible to facilitate a bias in
that direction, at least optionally.
If you use lots of historical code written with no consideration of the
difference, one way to test the code would be to sprinkle
lexical-binding: t across the tops of all your files, and keep track of
which ones have it set because they actually expect it vs. which ones
have it set just so you can test them. Which, ironically, is a bit like
using a purely functional language with no dynamic binding or global
variables, so you're forced to modify all your function signatures and
calls to explicitly pass global state as an argument.
Or, a more sensible way to test your historical code would be to simply
do (setq-default lexical-binding t) in your init file. But you can't do
that in Emacs 24 through 28, because the global value is ignored.
If it were honored in Emacs 29, then a news item could be added,
suggesting everybody try (setq-default lexical-binding t) in the init
file, to test all the packages they use, then add explicit
lexical-binding: nil (or defvar) in the cases where dynamic binding is
intentional. People who think this is nonsense can harmlessly ignore the
suggestion.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-01-30 3:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-01-28 3:01 Why is lexical-binding's global value ignored? abq
2023-01-28 7:10 ` tomas
2023-01-29 9:36 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-31 4:19 ` Richard Stallman
2023-01-31 13:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-28 16:11 ` abq
2023-01-28 18:44 ` tomas
2023-01-28 22:34 ` abq
2023-01-29 6:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-30 3:53 ` abq [this message]
2023-01-30 12:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-30 12:59 ` tomas
2023-01-30 13:45 ` Po Lu
2023-02-01 2:04 ` abq
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