From: Daniel Mendler <mail@daniel-mendler.de>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: Joseph Turner <joseph@breatheoutbreathe.in>,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
phillip.lord@russet.org.uk, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
~pkal/compat-devel@lists.sr.ht
Subject: Re: compat.el and Emacs unstable master branch features (was: bug#63513: [PATCH] Make persist-defvar work with records and hash tables)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 14:29:17 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3f6176d5-ccc9-ec37-8adc-4e221388e164@daniel-mendler.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874jk37dgh.fsf@localhost>
On 9/9/23 14:12, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
> Daniel Mendler <mail@daniel-mendler.de> writes:
>> compat-30 can be released as soon as Emacs 30 has been reasonably
>> stabilized, e.g., when the emacs-30 branch has been frozen, or a bit
>> before that. We cannot release much earlier since APIs may still change
>> and it is probably undesired to release unfinished APIs to the public
>> too early. For reference, I've created the compat-29.1.1 release around
>> the day that Eli announced the emacs-29 branch freeze.
>
> It is indeed viable to copy-paste the needed functions into the package
> code, but it _feels_ like something compat.el may provide support for.
>
> May it be possible to provide a public API in compat.el to define
> compat function versions before they appear in compat.el properly?
I see your point, but I think that Compat provides value for both
external and core packages given its current conservative approach. All
that is needed is to wait for a while after some API has been added and
Compat has been synchronized. Note that we haven't seen many API
additions in Emacs 30 so far. Compare this to compat-29.el which
provides a rich set of new APIs which are all available for external and
core packages depending on older Emacs versions.
I suggest to copy new functions temporarily to the package in question
with an fboundp check, with an additional TODO comment. We can
synchronize with Compat afterwards. Providing a public API won't work
since Compat is not included in Emacs itself. A design criterion of
Compat is also to keep the public API surface as small as possible.
Daniel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-09-09 12:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-06-08 8:41 Comparing hash table objects Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-08 8:51 ` Andreas Schwab
2022-06-08 9:17 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-10 22:45 ` Richard Stallman
2022-06-11 5:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-11 16:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-12 9:16 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-12 23:55 ` Sam Steingold
2022-06-13 13:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-13 16:18 ` Sam Steingold
2023-05-15 5:56 ` bug#63513: [PATCH] Make persist-defvar work with records and hash tables Joseph Turner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-05-15 11:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-23 20:14 ` Joseph Turner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-02 23:54 ` Joseph Turner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-03 6:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-04 0:29 ` Joseph Turner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-04 11:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-04 15:57 ` Joseph Turner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-04 17:05 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-04 22:28 ` Joseph Turner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-05 21:06 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-08 11:30 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-08 11:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-08 12:06 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-08 12:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-08 12:51 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-08 16:36 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-08 17:06 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-08 17:10 ` Joseph Turner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-09 10:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-09 10:15 ` Daniel Mendler
2023-09-09 11:35 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-09 11:57 ` Daniel Mendler
2023-09-09 12:12 ` compat.el and Emacs unstable master branch features (was: bug#63513: [PATCH] Make persist-defvar work with records and hash tables) Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-09 12:29 ` Daniel Mendler [this message]
2023-09-09 16:52 ` Joseph Turner
2023-09-11 8:45 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-12 10:02 ` compat.el and Emacs unstable master branch features Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-12 10:27 ` Daniel Mendler
2023-09-13 10:31 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-13 17:11 ` Daniel Mendler
2023-10-15 8:43 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-15 12:09 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-05 15:08 ` bug#63513: [PATCH] Make persist-defvar work with records and hash tables phillip.lord
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