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From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: wkirschbaum@gmail.com, gregory@heytings.org, casouri@gmail.com,
	62333@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#62333: 30.0.50; Issue with tree-sitter syntax tree during certain changes
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2023 00:08:53 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <290987e0-821e-a231-c1c4-b40bb9542ffe@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83ilel861g.fsf@gnu.org>

On 28/03/2023 14:32, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2023 02:06:17 +0300
>> Cc: wkirschbaum@gmail.com, casouri@gmail.com, 62333@debbugs.gnu.org
>> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
>>
>> On 27/03/2023 16:39, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>>>> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2023 08:24:42 +0000
>>>> From: Gregory Heytings<gregory@heytings.org>
>>>> cc: Eli Zaretskii<eliz@gnu.org>,wkirschbaum@gmail.com,casouri@gmail.com,
>>>>       62333@debbugs.gnu.org
>>>>
>>>>>> Which is a fragile, semi-broken means, as we all know.
>>>>> What is a broken mess, is user-level narrowing. And how the downstream
>>>>> code can never guess the purpose the narrowing was applied for.
>>>> Note that this is what labeled narrowings attempts to solve.
>>> Labeled narrowing cannot solve this because it does nothing to
>>> alleviate the problems with user-defined narrowing.  So if the user
>>> narrows the buffer, we cannot do anything to safely widen in the
>>> general case, and labeled narrowing cannot help us.
>>
>> Is that because we don't think the user level narrowing is done purely
>> for visual effect?
> 
> Indeed, it isn't always for visual effect.

When isn't it? Is there a way to determine that from code?

>> judging by regular user requests for make this or that command
>> ignore user-level narrowing, it seems like "purely visual" should be the
>> default interpretation.
> 
> I think you base your judgment on feedback from users who are not used
> to take advantage of narrowing in editing.  I think most young people
> aren't, since this feature is more-or-less unique to Emacs.

Either narrowing should be used to change lexical/grammatical/etc 
context, or it should not. Do we have any documentation that says one or 
the other way? That should affect how Lisp code deals with narrowing -- 
which interactive functions should widen, and so on.





  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-28 21:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-21 14:00 bug#62333: 30.0.50; Issue with tree-sitter syntax tree during certain changes Wilhelm Kirschbaum
2023-03-23  1:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-23  3:03   ` Yuan Fu
2023-03-23  4:20     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-23  7:13       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-23 21:18         ` Yuan Fu
2023-03-23 21:30           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-23 22:06           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-23 23:59             ` Yuan Fu
2023-03-24  6:05               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-24  7:34                 ` Yuan Fu
2023-03-25  1:51                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-25 12:34                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-25 13:00                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-25 13:14                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-25 13:44                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-25 14:09                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-25 14:18                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-25 14:41                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-25 15:25                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-25 15:57                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-25 16:03                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-25 16:24                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-25 17:05                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-25 17:40                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-25 19:31                                               ` Yuan Fu
2023-03-25 23:29                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-26 22:52                                                   ` Yuan Fu
2023-03-27  1:29                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-26  4:28                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-26 22:57                                                   ` Yuan Fu
2023-03-27 13:32                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-27 18:43                                                       ` Yuan Fu
2023-03-25 22:57                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-26  5:04                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-26  9:25                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-26 10:01                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-26 22:00                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-27  8:24                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-27 13:39                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-27 20:05                                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-28 11:30                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-28 11:39                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-28 12:11                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-28 12:25                                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-28 12:36                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-27 23:06                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-28 11:32                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-28 21:08                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2023-03-29 11:08                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-31  1:10                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-31  1:27                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-31  6:19                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-31  7:46                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-31 12:38                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-31 13:03                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-31 13:26                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-31 12:46                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-31 13:06                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-31 18:43                                                                           ` Yuan Fu
2023-04-01  1:53                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-01  5:47                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01 16:12                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-02 22:08                                                                               ` Yuan Fu
2023-04-03 12:31                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-27 23:20                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-27 13:29                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-27 23:33                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-28 11:38                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-28 21:19                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-29 11:17                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-30 15:50                                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-30 16:04                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-30 16:28                                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-30 16:40                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-30 17:27                                                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-30 17:47                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-30 20:14                                                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-30 22:08                                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-31  6:15                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-31  1:25                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-31  6:22                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-31  1:17                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov

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