From: Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: dimech@gmx.com, owinebar@gmail.com, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs design and architecture
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 04:39:03 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230915.063903.1878386083669147837.wl@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1qgwSf-0001M8-0h@fencepost.gnu.org>
> I know little about LaTeX, but I thought it was nicer commands built
> on the same engine as TeX. What would we gain by using LaTeX as the
> base instead of Plain TeX?
There are a lot of severe drawbacks in the current `texinfo.tex`
implementation that cannot or will not be fixed. The most serious are
the following.
* Texinfo exclusively uses the Computer Modern fonts with its 7-bit(!)
OT1 font encoding. This only supports a very limited set of
(natural) languages with proper hyphenation and kerning. To say it
bluntly and slightly exaggerating, it delivers good typography for
US English and nothing else.
* Many people don't like the appearance of the Computer Modern fonts.
However, it is very hard to change to a different font family,
especially because you have to create proper support for the OT1
encoding, which is a non-trivial undertaking. Additionally, you
have to directly modify internal `texinfo.tex` macros since Texinfo
doesn't provide a proper API to do so.
New versions of `texi2any` directly create LaTeX output files,
completely bypassing `texinfo.tex` and its limitations. It is thus
possible to use the full typographical power of modern TeX engines,
which, for example, directly support Unicode and thus essentially all
languages of the world.
Werner
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2023-08-29 11:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-29 3:57 ` Arthur Miller
2023-09-01 1:18 ` Richard Stallman
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2023-09-01 14:58 ` Arthur Miller
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2023-09-04 1:32 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-04 1:44 ` Emanuel Berg
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2023-09-04 14:08 ` Emanuel Berg
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2023-09-07 9:39 ` Ihor Radchenko
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2023-09-15 4:39 ` Werner LEMBERG [this message]
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2023-09-17 13:22 ` Werner LEMBERG
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2023-09-14 16:30 ` Emacs design and architecture (was: Shrinking the C core) Lynn Winebarger
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