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From: Heime <heimeborgia@protonmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [External] : Make new buffer from menu
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2022 07:20:16 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cc4xcz2OIOJpws6H1AcwIFPpjdxKX3LKbN_40xY-F_VIy3xb_JpCHt_wy59L5CLF0Oebdxp32Pim1nJ1JemvT9LihRWzAfj5lKDqQE37pMA=@protonmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <837cz7d5q0.fsf@gnu.org>


------- Original Message -------
On Sunday, December 4th, 2022 at 6:48 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:


> > Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2022 20:27:21 +0000
> > From: Heime heimeborgia@protonmail.com
> > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> > 
> > > This is why I stopped offering some to you.
> > 
> > There is significant difference between help and advice Tomas.
> > 
> > Imagine you are struggling to carry a bundle of blankets through
> > a narrow door to a storage area, your hands are full, the blankets
> > are heavy, and one of them catches on the door. You ask a friend
> > to help you. He quickly goes to the door, unsticks the blanket
> > and tosses it up over the other blankets so that you can keep moving
> > forward. That is help.
> 
> 
> I'd say you need to adjust your mental model of the situation.
> 
> You are in an unfamiliar street of a large city in a foreign country. There
> are no friends anywhere around, only more-or-less well-meaning passers-by.
> You are asking for directions to a place you have only a vague idea about,
> in a language that you don't speak well. Some of the passers-by might
> misunderstand you, and give you directions to the wrong place. Some others
> might seem to tell you something important, perhaps pointing to a street map
> on the next corner, but you don't understand them well, and the map is in a
> language you cannot read well enough anyway. Some others will maybe laugh
> you off uttering something you don't understand. Now, if you carefully use
> the dictionary of that language (or maybe nowadays it would be Google
> Translate ;-), and ask a specific enough question in terms the passers-by
> understand, and if you are lucky enough to ask it someone who has more than
> 5 sec on their hands to stop and help you, and if that someone also happens
> to know the place you are looking for and understand what it is from your
> descriptions -- then you will get very concise and precise directions.
> Otherwise, you will get a lot of well-meant information some of which is
> borderline useless, some interesting to go over when you have more time, but
> not relevant to what you are after now, and some complete hogwash, for any
> number of reasons.

My girlfriends was quite sure I would get shot one day.  Still not happened yet.
 
> This is the kind of situation that requires skills to deal with. One of the
> potentially useful skills is to be able to read the map on the street
> corner, the other is how to ask specific questions, yet another is how to
> speak the language of those passers-by and minimize misunderstandings. And
> there are a few more.
> 
> But none of those skills is ingratitude, let alone hostility, to those who
> try to help you as best they can, and for some reason don't hit the nail on
> the head, or not at all. Because more often than not, this is your fault,
> not theirs, and they don't owe you anything.

It was just about looking at how things were.  No hostility, just a comment
that I was out of tune with what was being said to me, useless in that sense.
Emacs needs some improvements in how things get called.  It is common to find
the same thing doing multiple things.  Anyway, when making new buffer, Emacs 
should just make a temporary one, then the user can save it if one wants.





  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-04  7:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-03  3:58 Make new buffer from menu Heime
2022-12-03 17:20 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-12-03 18:43   ` Heime
2022-12-03 19:15     ` tomas
2022-12-03 20:27       ` Heime
2022-12-04  6:20         ` tomas
2022-12-04  6:48         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-04  7:20           ` Heime [this message]
2022-12-04 14:20             ` Jean Louis
2022-12-04 17:12             ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-12-04 12:13         ` Jean Louis
2022-12-04 11:55     ` Dr Rainer Woitok
2022-12-04 12:32       ` Heime
2022-12-04 12:39         ` Jean Louis
2022-12-04 12:36     ` Jean Louis
2022-12-04 12:03 ` Jean Louis

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