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From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com>
To: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
Cc: Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org>, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: rcd-box.el for box drawings and tables
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 08:13:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <17db9196-84cc-7f86-e77-431657fc408b@panix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y2z2akUM7kUPyZ3q@protected.localdomain>

The screen reader is free software and is espeak-ng.



Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

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On Thu, 10 Nov 2022, Jean Louis wrote:

> * Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> [2022-11-09 18:50]:
> > On the screen reader I use, this message only spoke the text that was in
> > the table.  That for screen reader users is especially useless since yes
> > there's a table but what is where in that table?  The relationship data
> > gets stripped in this form.
>
> Is the screen reader software in Emacs?
>
> Or you read e-mails by some other software?
>
> Is it free software?
>
> In case that screen reader is software in Emacs, there would be way to
> improve it to avoid reading some characters.
>
> Emacs has those hidden text properties, one can see what it is by
> evaluating (buffer-string) so in my opinion, there is way to save the
> whole Emacs buffer with text properties, and transfer such to other
> person. I know it is not really what we do in practice, but that way
> one could transfer also text properties which say "this char is part
> of table" and would indicate to screen reader running within Emacs
> that such char shall not be read by screen reader.
>
> Then each cell could have it's text property in Emacs buffer. In that
> case the spreadsheet with text properties would then be "readable" by
> screen reader. Condition is that screen reader knows how to read
> tables.
>
> Screenreader could then say something like "Cell A1 with value US
> $87.42". Or it could say "Moved to cell A2" or "Moved to cell B3 from
> A3".
>
> That makes sense to me.
>
> Sadly we do not have software that generally cooperates with each
> other in such way as to provide accessibility to blind.
>
>



  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-10 13:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-04 16:04 Elisp Reference Manual on inserting tables Christopher Dimech
2022-11-04 16:39 ` Eric S Fraga
2022-11-04 17:07   ` Christopher Dimech
2022-11-05 12:57     ` Fraga, Eric
2022-11-06  4:18       ` Heime
2022-11-06 20:48         ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-11-07  6:23           ` Jean Louis
2022-11-07 16:05             ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-11-07 16:49               ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-08 15:57                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-11-07  7:24           ` Heime
2022-11-07 12:32             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-07 13:53               ` Heime
2022-11-07  7:32           ` Heime
2022-11-07 18:02             ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-11-07 18:07               ` Heime
2022-11-07 18:10               ` Heime
2022-11-07 21:12                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-11-08  4:09                   ` Heime
2022-11-08  4:12                     ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-08 16:06                       ` Heime
2022-11-08 20:38                         ` Jean Louis
2022-11-09  0:49                         ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-08 22:49                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-11-04 20:26   ` Heime
2022-11-04 16:43 ` Akib Azmain Turja
2022-11-05 19:37   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-06  6:48   ` Jean Louis
2022-11-06  8:31     ` Heime
2022-11-06  9:48       ` Jean Louis
2022-11-06 10:12         ` Heime
2022-11-06 12:26           ` Jean Louis
2022-11-06 12:54             ` Heime
2022-11-06 13:01               ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-06 14:48                 ` Heime
2022-11-06 15:20                   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-07  5:38                   ` Jean Louis
2022-11-07  7:05                     ` Heime
2022-11-07  7:35                       ` Jean Louis
2022-11-07  5:37               ` Jean Louis
2022-11-08  6:39       ` rcd-box.el for box drawings and tables Jean Louis
2022-11-08  7:58         ` Heime
2022-11-08 12:29           ` Jean Louis
2022-11-08 15:29             ` Heime
2022-11-08 20:31               ` Jean Louis
2022-11-08 15:42           ` Jude DaShiell
2022-11-08 20:33             ` Jean Louis
2022-11-09  3:34               ` Jude DaShiell
2022-11-09  4:03                 ` Jean Louis
2022-11-09  4:28                   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-10  6:07                     ` Jean Louis
2022-11-10 18:22                       ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-11 22:28                         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-11-08  9:49         ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-08 11:54           ` Jean Louis
2022-11-09  0:52             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-09 15:48               ` Jude DaShiell
2022-11-10 13:02                 ` Jean Louis
2022-11-10 13:13                   ` Jude DaShiell [this message]
2022-11-10 14:13                     ` Jean Louis
2022-11-09 15:49               ` Jude DaShiell
2022-11-09 16:03                 ` Emanuel Berg

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