From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jude DaShiell Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: rcd-box.el for box drawings and tables Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 08:13:16 -0500 Message-ID: <17db9196-84cc-7f86-e77-431657fc408b@panix.com> References: <87r0yi4qly.fsf@disroot.org> <87o7th7p3i.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87leolvtig.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36921"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emanuel Berg , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 10 14:13:42 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ot7NE-0009Mn-IT for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 14:13:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ot7Mu-0008I3-Gx; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 08:13:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ot7Mt-0008Hp-IR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 08:13:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mailbackend.panix.com ([166.84.1.89]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ot7Ms-0006HN-1t for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 08:13:19 -0500 Original-Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4N7Mhr3v8mzGM4; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 08:13:16 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=panix.com; s=panix; t=1668085996; bh=oKC+KCGu/AzfZxJEA6nN0A6Zwk0uwKquteOBLcUHh1g=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=abxCY2uxzfBqEAfc8CIFtofqB8c3iATuO+phg1hOGP/YWVYCr+F3jH35OzPhxnIKg PswnymeC2r/asXYyOKvi0JaQ236xjIjtoA+lqCZ1/bS1CpkMxhgmq3T4VZwPgsIMqq DgPlRfayabsxr/+rQwTQ3d+BOJfA+31xZE9UOSN4= Original-Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 4N7Mhr3Lqdzcbc; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 08:13:16 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4N7Mhr34G3zcbP; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 08:13:16 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=166.84.1.89; envelope-from=jdashiel@panix.com; helo=mailbackend.panix.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:140889 Archived-At: The screen reader is free software and is espeak-ng. Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) . On Thu, 10 Nov 2022, Jean Louis wrote: > * Jude DaShiell [2022-11-09 18:50]: > > On the screen reader I use, this message only spoke the text that was in > > the table. That for screen reader users is especially useless since yes > > there's a table but what is where in that table? The relationship data > > gets stripped in this form. > > Is the screen reader software in Emacs? > > Or you read e-mails by some other software? > > Is it free software? > > In case that screen reader is software in Emacs, there would be way to > improve it to avoid reading some characters. > > Emacs has those hidden text properties, one can see what it is by > evaluating (buffer-string) so in my opinion, there is way to save the > whole Emacs buffer with text properties, and transfer such to other > person. I know it is not really what we do in practice, but that way > one could transfer also text properties which say "this char is part > of table" and would indicate to screen reader running within Emacs > that such char shall not be read by screen reader. > > Then each cell could have it's text property in Emacs buffer. In that > case the spreadsheet with text properties would then be "readable" by > screen reader. Condition is that screen reader knows how to read > tables. > > Screenreader could then say something like "Cell A1 with value US > $87.42". Or it could say "Moved to cell A2" or "Moved to cell B3 from > A3". > > That makes sense to me. > > Sadly we do not have software that generally cooperates with each > other in such way as to provide accessibility to blind. > >