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From: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu <mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp>
To: David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>
Cc: Emacs-Devel devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Emacs 23 Mac port
Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 10:04:27 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wltyql4z8k.wl%mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <EB7A52CA-7F27-469E-A201-16F056A5DD2E@gmail.com>

>>>>> On Wed, 5 May 2010 11:58:21 -0400, David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com> said:

> On May 3, 2010, at 10:35 PM, YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu wrote:
>> The twelfth update of the Mac port, which is
>> experimental/hackers-only,

> It would be nice to merge the improvements from this port into the
> NS port so that a larger group of users will eventually benefit from
> it.

Scratching the surface of the NS port doesn't make sense to me,
because it contains so many "I wouldn't design/implement so" in its
fundamental part.

> Debugging something else, I came across a statement with substantial
> foresight from you in 2005:

>> As for Emacs 23, the Carbon port itself might become such that
>> "it's difficult to understand why it should be supported".  From
>> the users' point of view, it would be confusing to have two ports
>> of Emacs that are the same version and have similar look-and-feel,
>> provided that both of them are sufficiently stable and functional.

> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2005-09/msg00773.html

I'm no longer maintaining "the Carbon port", and I think that now
(especially after the release of Snow Leopard) people agree it was a
right decision to abandon it early.  I could assign more time for
developing another port that uses Cocoa AppKit, seeing if the NS port
becomes good enough to me.

Also, I said "provided that both of them are sufficiently stable and
functional."  I don't encourage the person who think the NS port is
already sufficiently stable and functional to try the Mac port (the
README-mac file in the tarball says so at the beginning).

				     YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
				mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp




  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-06  1:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 154+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-20 11:02 Carbon: resizing a frame on wrong "space" David Reitter
2008-02-21  1:13 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-02-28 20:26   ` Harald Maier
2008-02-29  0:15     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-02-29  2:40       ` William Xu
2008-02-29  3:02         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-02-29  3:10           ` William Xu
2008-02-29  3:18             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-02-29  4:55           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-29  8:36             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-02  4:44               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-09-07  3:46         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-11-27 11:37           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-01-26  4:48             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-03-27  0:28               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-05-13  3:25                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-06-27  5:58                   ` Emacs 22 Carbon+AppKit port (was Re: Carbon: resizing a frame on wrong "space") YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-08-03  2:55                     ` Emacs 22 Carbon+AppKit port YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-08-07 20:41                       ` CHENG Gao
2009-08-29  0:48                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-08-31 17:38                         ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2009-09-01  5:40                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-09-05  2:18                         ` Emacs 22 Carbon+AppKit port and Emacs 23 Mac port YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-09-05  7:47                           ` CHENG Gao
2009-09-05  8:56                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-09-05 11:27                               ` CHENG Gao
2009-09-05 12:15                             ` David Reitter
2009-09-05 12:42                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-09-05 14:35                               ` CHENG Gao
2009-09-05 17:28                                 ` David Reitter
2009-09-08 18:45                                   ` David Reitter
2009-09-08 16:22                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-09  0:26                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-09-05  8:03                           ` CHENG Gao
2009-09-08 10:38                             ` CHENG Gao
2009-09-09  1:04                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-09-10 10:16                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-09-11 18:11                           ` CHENG Gao
2009-09-27  4:23                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-11-01  4:47                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-12-09 22:08                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-12-31 11:46                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-01-02  1:27                                   ` Leo
2010-01-02  4:21                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-01-02 10:19                                       ` Leo
2010-01-02 15:26                                         ` Leo
2010-01-02 20:56                                   ` Leo
2010-01-03  2:45                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-01-03 11:07                                       ` Leo
2010-01-12  8:16                                       ` Jan Djärv
2010-01-12  9:03                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-01-12  9:28                                           ` Jan Djärv
2010-01-12 10:18                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-01-12 14:15                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-12 17:21                                             ` Jan Djärv
2010-01-12 21:22                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-13  7:39                                                 ` Jan D.
2010-01-13 14:38                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-12 23:35                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-01-13  7:43                                               ` Jan D.
2010-01-04  2:08                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-30  4:42                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-02-27  9:19                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-04-03  2:26                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-04-03 14:55                                         ` Leo
2010-04-03 16:07                                           ` Leo
2010-04-04  5:36                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-04-06 13:09                                             ` Leo
2010-04-20  9:08                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-04-20 13:07                                           ` Leo
2010-04-28  8:57                                           ` Leo
2010-04-30  1:21                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-05-04  2:35                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-05-04  3:10                                             ` Leo
2010-05-05  1:09                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-05-05 15:58                                             ` David Reitter
2010-05-06  1:04                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu [this message]
2010-05-06 16:34                                                 ` covici
2010-05-07  0:33                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-05-06 17:31                                                 ` David Reitter
2010-06-06 18:48                                                   ` John Higgins
2010-06-06 21:28                                                     ` David Reitter
2010-06-07  0:53                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-06-11 21:27                                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2010-11-16  1:25                                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-11-16 14:11                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-17 13:44                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-11-17 14:57                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-17 17:00                                                                 ` David Reitter
2010-05-09  4:45                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-05-29  8:14                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-06-26  3:51                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-31  5:23                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-31 11:36                                                     ` covici
2010-08-05 19:15                                                     ` David Reitter
2010-09-27  8:38                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-09-27  9:24                                                       ` Leo
2010-11-10  8:50                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-11-14 21:47                                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2010-11-15  1:48                                                           ` Leo
2010-11-15  1:52                                                             ` covici
2010-11-15  7:03                                                           ` Chad Brown
2010-11-15 15:23                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-17 21:49                                                           ` ken manheimer
2010-11-18 14:35                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-12-01  3:34                                                         ` Leo
2010-12-01 10:43                                                           ` Leo
2010-12-02 10:01                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-12-02 14:52                                                               ` Leo
2010-12-03  4:41                                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-12-03  6:34                                                                   ` Leo
2010-12-12  4:41                                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-01-15 10:35                                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-02-01  9:40                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-02-15  8:04                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-03-10  6:29                                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-07-23  3:28                                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-07-26 11:07                                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-08-06  5:55                                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-08-06 11:48                                                                       ` Dimitri Fontaine
2011-08-06 13:00                                                                         ` Jan Djärv
2011-08-08  0:08                                                                           ` Alp Aker
2011-08-08  3:37                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-08  4:45                                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-08-08  9:48                                                                             ` Jan Djärv
2011-08-08 13:02                                                                               ` David Reitter
2011-08-08 16:14                                                                                 ` Jan Djärv
2011-08-08 12:59                                                                             ` David Reitter
2011-08-12 16:57                                                                             ` Dimitri Fontaine
2011-08-27  0:52                                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-09-01  0:42                                                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-10-02 12:30                                                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-10-06 19:08                                                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-07  0:27                                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-10-07 10:25                                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-17  1:29                                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-10-27  2:46                                                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-11-28 10:45                                                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-11-28 12:06                                                                             ` Carsten Mattner
2011-11-29 18:51                                                                               ` Jan Djärv
2011-11-28 14:58                                                                             ` Xu Xin
2012-01-15  6:07                                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-01-15 17:29                                                                               ` Xu Xin
2012-01-31  6:52                                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-01-31 15:57                                                                                 ` Xu Xin
2012-01-31 19:01                                                                                   ` John Wiegley
2010-03-13  0:16                               ` Emacs 22 Carbon+AppKit port and " YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-03-15 18:12                                 ` Giovanni Lanzani
2010-03-16  0:23                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-01-16 11:32 emacs user
2012-01-16 13:01 ` Leo
2012-01-17  0:49 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-01-17  3:47 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-01-17 10:51   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu

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