From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 23 Mac port Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 10:04:27 +0900 Organization: Faculty of Science, Chiba University Message-ID: References: <2282B3B4-D844-4E26-BB94-9F79EEA2E847@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1273157198 31288 80.91.229.12 (6 May 2010 14:46:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 14:46:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel To: David Reitter Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 06 16:46:35 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OA2LS-0000Hs-1J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 16:46:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35467 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OA2Fd-0008Fk-E7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:40:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O9pYi-000110-Bm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 21:07:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42765 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O9pYX-0000qK-V0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 21:07:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9pVv-0005iu-V0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 21:04:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp ([133.82.132.2]:58374) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9pVv-0005iQ-F4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 21:04:31 -0400 Original-Received: from church.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (church [133.82.132.36]) by mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F770C0561; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:04:27 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.3 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: NetBSD 3.0 (DF) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:124584 Archived-At: >>>>> On Wed, 5 May 2010 11:58:21 -0400, David Reitter said: > On May 3, 2010, at 10:35 PM, YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu wrote: >> The twelfth update of the Mac port, which is >> experimental/hackers-only, > It would be nice to merge the improvements from this port into the > NS port so that a larger group of users will eventually benefit from > it. Scratching the surface of the NS port doesn't make sense to me, because it contains so many "I wouldn't design/implement so" in its fundamental part. > Debugging something else, I came across a statement with substantial > foresight from you in 2005: >> As for Emacs 23, the Carbon port itself might become such that >> "it's difficult to understand why it should be supported". From >> the users' point of view, it would be confusing to have two ports >> of Emacs that are the same version and have similar look-and-feel, >> provided that both of them are sufficiently stable and functional. > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2005-09/msg00773.html I'm no longer maintaining "the Carbon port", and I think that now (especially after the release of Snow Leopard) people agree it was a right decision to abandon it early. I could assign more time for developing another port that uses Cocoa AppKit, seeing if the NS port becomes good enough to me. Also, I said "provided that both of them are sufficiently stable and functional." I don't encourage the person who think the NS port is already sufficiently stable and functional to try the Mac port (the README-mac file in the tarball says so at the beginning). YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp