The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds

The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds

[Tassilo Horn]

Hi all,

since the latest changes to newsticker I cannot read my feeds anymore.
My config (which worked fine with the old newsticker) is as follows:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(autoload 'w3m-region "w3m"
  "Render region in current buffer and replace with result." t)

(setq newsticker-url-list
      '(;; Emacs
        ("Planet Emacsen" "http://planet.emacsen.org/atom.xml")
        ;; Computer, Software & Linux
        ("Pro-Linux News" "http://www.pro-linux.de/backend/pro-linux.rdf")
        ("heise online News" "http://www.heise.de/newsticker/heise-atom.xml")
        ("NewsForge" "http://www.newsforge.com/index.rss")
        ("Slashdot" "http://slashdot.org/index.rss")
        ("The Daily WTF" "http://thedailywtf.com/rss.aspx")
        ;; FSF
        ("BadVista Blog" "http://badvista.fsf.org/blog/RSS")
        ("BadVista - VistaWatch" "http://del.icio.us/rss/badvista/badvista+vistawatch")
        ("DefectiveByDesign.org - The Campaign to Eliminate DRM"
         "http://www.defectivebydesign.org/rss.xml")
        ("Fellowship News" "http://www.fsfe.org/en/rss/feed/news_rss20")
        ;; Programming
        ("Common-Lisp.net" "http://common-lisp.net/rss.xml")
        ("Planet Lisp" "http://planet.lisp.org/rss20.xml")
        ;; Nachrichten
        ("tagesschau.de - Die Nachrichten der ARD" "http://www.tagesschau.de/newsticker.rdf")
        ;; Uni
        ("Inforakel" "http://www.inforakel.de/RSSFeeds/CurrentNewsEvents")
        ("GHRKO News" "http://www.uni-koblenz.de/GHRKO/RSSFeed")
        ("Neuigkeiten des FB4" "http://www.uni-koblenz.de/FB4/News/RSSFeed")
        ;; Mail
        ("FastMail.FM status weblog" "http://status.fastmail.fm/?feed=rss2")
        ;; Blog
        ("Tassilo's Blog" "http://tsdh.wordpress.com/feed/")
        ("Comments for Tassilo's Blog" "http://tsdh.wordpress.com/comments/feed/"))
      newsticker-html-renderer 'w3m-region
      newsticker-cache-filename "~/.emacs.d/newsticker-cache"
      newsticker-automatically-mark-items-as-old nil)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Now, when I do `M-x newsticker-show-news' a new frame pops up [1]
showing three windows containing the buffers "*Newsticker Tree*",
"*Newsticker List*" and "*Newsticker Item*".  In the echo area I can see
that my feeds are fetched.

The first window (buffer "*Newsticker Tree*") contains the propertized
text

[X] Feeds
[X] Virtual Feeds

but no feeds.  Hitting RET on these [X] makes them [+], but still no
feeds are shown.  The "*Newsticker List*" buffer has a header line
containing Date and Title, but no contents.  The "*Newsticker Item*"
buffer is empty.

What am I missing?

Bye,
Tassilo
__________
[1] Can this be deactivated?  I'd like to use the current frame.

Re: The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds

[Ulf Jasper]

Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:
> since the latest changes to newsticker I cannot read my feeds anymore.

I'll check why your feeds don't show up with the new treeview
frontend. In the meantime:

To turn off the creation of a separate newsticker frame set
`newsticker-treeview-own-frame' to nil. To use the old newsticker
frontend set `newsticker-frontend' to newsticker-plainview.

Ulf

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Re: The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds

[Tassilo Horn]

Ulf Jasper <ulf.jasper@web.de> writes:

Hi Ulf,

> Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:
>> since the latest changes to newsticker I cannot read my feeds
>> anymore.
>
> I'll check why your feeds don't show up with the new treeview
> frontend. In the meantime:
>
> To turn off the creation of a separate newsticker frame set
> `newsticker-treeview-own-frame' to nil.

Ah, thanks.

> To use the old newsticker frontend set `newsticker-frontend' to
> newsticker-plainview.

I've done that, and all my feeds show up again.

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds

[Ulf Jasper]

Sorry, I cannot reproduce that problem. Using a fresh Emacs with your
settings all feeds show up, both in terminal and in X. This is what it
looks like.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
File Edit Options Buffers Tools Help                                            
[-] Feeds               |* Date            Title                                
 |-O Comments for Tassi$|  11.06.08, 21:58 Comment on Creating short URL redire$
 |-O Tassilo's Blog (10$|  24.05.08, 12:42 Comment on Automatically split windo$
 |-O FastMail.FM Status$|  24.05.08, 12:07 Comment on Automatically split windo$
 |-O Neuigkeiten des FB$|  16.04.08, 07:49 Comment on dwm ― the dynamic window $
 |-O GHRKO News (0)     |  10.04.08, 22:47 Comment on Sticky keys save my hands$
 |-O Neues aus der Fach$|  28.03.08, 11:21 Comment on My funky ZSH prompt by Ta$
 |-O tagesschau.de - Di$|  28.03.08, 09:36 Comment on My funky ZSH prompt by fo$
 |-O Planet Lisp (10)   |  14.03.08, 01:50 Comment on My funky ZSH prompt by Ky$
 |-O Common-Lisp.net (1$|-UUU:%*--F1  *Newsticker List*   Top L5     (Item List)
 |-O Fellowship News (1$|Comments for Tassilo's Blog
 |-O DefectiveByDesign.$|
 |-O del.icio.us/badvis$|Comment on Sticky keys save my hands from RSI by Again$
 |-O BadVista Blog (5)  |(Donnerstag, 22:47)
 |-O The Daily WTF (14) |
 |-O Slashdot (15)      |
 |-O Linux.com :: Featu$|Believe me mice destroy your wrists and forearms. You
 |-O heise online News $|should use shortcuts as much as possible.  Consider an
 |-O Pro-Linux News (7) |Enterpad keyboard if you have too many shortcuts to
 |-O Planet Emacsen (0) |remember.
 `-O EmacsWiki: RecentC$|
-UUU:%*--F1  *Newsticker|-UUU:%*--F1  *Newsticker Item*   Top L1     (Newsticker
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Can you give me more information? Did you try "emacs -Q"?  

Is anybody else experiencing newsticker problems?

Ulf

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Re: The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds

[Tassilo Horn]

Ulf Jasper <ulf.jasper@web.de> writes:

Hi Ulf,

> Sorry, I cannot reproduce that problem. Using a fresh Emacs with your
> settings all feeds show up, both in terminal and in X. This is what it
> looks like.

Hey, that looks nice!  But I don't have any luck, even not with "emacs
-Q" and "emacs -Q -nw".

> Can you give me more information?

M-x emacs-version
  ==> GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.10)
      of 2008-06-18 on thinkpad

What else do you need?

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds

[Ulf Jasper]

Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:
> Hey, that looks nice!  But I don't have any luck, even not with "emacs
> -Q" and "emacs -Q -nw".

Please send me an "ASCII screen shot". What happens when you type 'j'?
(This should call newsticker-treeview-jump, prompt for a feed name, and
show the contents of that feed.) What is the value of
'newsticker-groups'?

Ulf

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Re: The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds

[Tassilo Horn]

Ulf Jasper <ulf.jasper@web.de> writes:

> Please send me an "ASCII screen shot".

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
File Edit Options Buffers Tools Help                                  
[X] Feeds               |* Date            Title                      
[X] Virtual Feeds       |
                        |
                        |
                        |
                        |-UUU:%%--F1  *Newsticker List*   All L1     (
                        |
                        |
                        |
                        |
                        |
                        |
-UUU:%*--F1  *Newsticker|-UUU:%*--F1  *Newsticker Item*   All L1     (
Reading [text/html; charset=iso-8859-1]... 256 bytes of 246 bytes (10\
4%)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---


> What happens when you type 'j'?  (This should call
> newsticker-treeview-jump, prompt for a feed name, and show the
> contents of that feed.)

The prompt appears, I can enter a feed with completion, but RET doesn't
do anything.  No output in *Messages*, no difference in the buffer
contents...

> What is the value of 'newsticker-groups'?

,----[ C-h v newsticker-groups RET ]
| newsticker-groups is a variable defined in `newst-treeview.el'.
| Its value is 
| ("Feeds" "Comments for Tassilo's Blog" "Tassilo's Blog" "FastMail.FM
| status weblog" "Neuigkeiten des FB4" "GHRKO News" "Inforakel"
| "tagesschau.de - Die Nachrichten der ARD" "Planet Lisp"
| "Common-Lisp.net" "Fellowship News" "DefectiveByDesign.org - The
| Campaign to Eliminate DRM" "BadVista - VistaWatch" "BadVista Blog"
| "The Daily WTF" "Slashdot" "NewsForge" "heise online News" "Pro-Linux
| News" "Planet Emacsen" "Emacs Wiki")
| 
| 
| Documentation:
| List of feed groups, used in the treeview frontend.
| Each element must be a list consisting of strings.  The first
| element gives the title of the group, the following elements the
| names of feeds that belong to the group.
| FIXME
`----

I guess there's the culprit.  The docs say it's a list of lists like

  (("Group1" "Feed1" "Feed2")
   ("Group2" "Feed3" "Feed4"))

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds

[Ulf Jasper]

Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:

> Ulf Jasper <ulf.jasper@web.de> writes:
>
>> Please send me an "ASCII screen shot".
> [...]

Good.

>> What happens when you type 'j'?  (This should call
>> newsticker-treeview-jump, prompt for a feed name, and show the
>> contents of that feed.)
>
> The prompt appears, I can enter a feed with completion, but RET doesn't
> do anything.  No output in *Messages*, no difference in the buffer
> contents...

Bad.

>> What is the value of 'newsticker-groups'?
> [...]
> I guess there's the culprit.  The docs say it's a list of lists like

Just a documentation bug. List := group element*. element := feed | elt.

Please (setq newsticker-debug t). What happens when you type 'u'? What
does (newsticker--treeview-tree-expand-status nil) return?

Ulf

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Re: The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds

[Tassilo Horn]

Ulf Jasper <ulf.jasper@web.de> writes:

> Please (setq newsticker-debug t).

These are the messages I get after `newsticker-show-news'.

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Starting timer for Emacs Wiki: nil, 3600
Starting timer for Planet Emacsen: nil, 3600
Starting timer for Pro-Linux News: nil, 3600
Starting timer for heise online News: nil, 3600
Starting timer for NewsForge: nil, 3600
Starting timer for Slashdot: nil, 3600
Starting timer for The Daily WTF: nil, 3600
Starting timer for BadVista Blog: nil, 3600
Starting timer for BadVista - VistaWatch: nil, 3600
Starting timer for DefectiveByDesign.org - The Campaign to Eliminate DRM: nil, 3600
Starting timer for Fellowship News: nil, 3600
Starting timer for Common-Lisp.net: nil, 3600
Starting timer for Planet Lisp: nil, 3600
Starting timer for tagesschau.de - Die Nachrichten der ARD: nil, 3600
Starting timer for Inforakel: nil, 3600
Starting timer for GHRKO News: nil, 3600
Starting timer for Neuigkeiten des FB4: nil, 3600
Starting timer for FastMail.FM status weblog: nil, 3600
Starting timer for Tassilo's Blog: nil, 3600
Starting timer for Comments for Tassilo's Blog: nil, 3600
Newsticker started!
Timer for Emacs Wiki is running already!
Timer for Planet Emacsen is running already!
Timer for Pro-Linux News is running already!
Timer for heise online News is running already!
Timer for NewsForge is running already!
Timer for Slashdot is running already!
Timer for The Daily WTF is running already!
Timer for BadVista Blog is running already!
Timer for BadVista - VistaWatch is running already!
Timer for DefectiveByDesign.org - The Campaign to Eliminate DRM is running already!
Timer for Fellowship News is running already!
Timer for Common-Lisp.net is running already!
Timer for Planet Lisp is running already!
Timer for tagesschau.de - Die Nachrichten der ARD is running already!
Timer for Inforakel is running already!
Timer for GHRKO News is running already!
Timer for Neuigkeiten des FB4 is running already!
Timer for FastMail.FM status weblog is running already!
Timer for Tassilo's Blog is running already!
Timer for Comments for Tassilo's Blog is running already!
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for Emacs Wiki
Contacting host: www.emacswiki.org:80
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for Planet Emacsen
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for Pro-Linux News
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for heise online News
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for NewsForge
Contacting host: www.newsforge.com:80
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for Slashdot
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for The Daily WTF
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for BadVista Blog
Contacting host: badvista.fsf.org:80
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for BadVista - VistaWatch
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for DefectiveByDesign.org - The Campaign to Eliminate DRM
Contacting host: www.defectivebydesign.org:80
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for Fellowship News
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for Common-Lisp.net
Contacting host: common-lisp.net:80
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for Planet Lisp
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for tagesschau.de - Die Nachrichten der ARD
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for Inforakel
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for GHRKO News
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for Neuigkeiten des FB4
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for FastMail.FM status weblog
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for Tassilo's Blog
Contacting host: tsdh.wordpress.com:80
Thursday, 21:13: Getting news for Comments for Tassilo's Blog
Reading [text/html; charset=iso-8859-1]... 266 bytes of 256 bytes (104%)
Reading [application/rdf+xml]... 2k of 3k (71%)
Reading [application/xml]... 2k of 69k (4%)
Reading [application/rdf+xml]... 3k of 3k (100%)
Parsing RSS 0.91 feed Pro-Linux News
Item `Support für Fedora 7 eingestellt' from 2008-06-18, 08:33 has expired on 2008-06-19, 08:33
Item `CrossOver 7 freigegeben' from 2008-06-18, 21:10 has expired on 2008-06-19, 21:10
Reading [application/xml]... 8k of 69k (12%)
Parsing Atom 1.0 feed heise online News
Reading [application/xml]... 69k of 69k (100%)
Reading... done.
Parsing Atom 1.0 feed Planet Emacsen
Reading [text/html; charset=iso-8859-1]... 248 bytes of 238 bytes (104%)
Reading... done.
Reading [text/html; charset=utf-8]... 174 bytes of 163 bytes (107%)
Reading [text/xml;charset=utf-8]... 20k of 20k (100%)
Parsing RSS 1.0 feed BadVista Blog
Reading [text/html; charset=iso-8859-1]... 256 bytes of 246 bytes (104%)
Reading... done.
Parsing RSS 2.0 feed DefectiveByDesign.org - The Campaign to Eliminate DRM
Parsing RSS 2.0 feed NewsForge
Reading [application/rss+xml]... 2k of 9k (25%)
Reading 7k...
Reading [application/rss+xml]... 9k of 9k (100%)
Parsing RSS 2.0 feed Emacs Wiki
Item `linkify.el' from 2008-06-18, 19:38 has expired on 2008-06-19, 19:38
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Parsing RSS 1.0 feed Slashdot
Item `Bell, SuperMicro Sued Over GPL' from 2008-06-18, 20:48 has expired on 2008-06-19, 20:48
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Parsing RSS 2.0 feed The Daily WTF
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Item `Live - Zweikampf um Platz zwei' from 2008-06-18, 21:10 has expired on 2008-06-19, 21:10
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Parsing RSS 2.0 feed Tassilo's Blog
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Mark set
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> What happens when you type 'u'?

Nothing, even no message.

> What does (newsticker--treeview-tree-expand-status nil) return?

`M-: (newsticker--treeview-tree-expand-status nil)' in *Newsticker Tree*
results in:

((item :tag #("New items (67)" 0 14 (mouse-face highlight help-echo "Clickme!" :nt-vfeed "new" :nt-feed nil :nt-id nil keymap (keymap (13 . newsticker-treeview-tree-do-click) (10 . newsticker-treeview-tree-do-click) (mouse-1 . newsticker-treeview-tree-click)) face newsticker-treeview-new-face)) :nt-vfeed "new" :action newsticker--treeview-list-new-items :nt-id "nil-0" :keep (:nt-id)) (item :tag #("Immortal items (0)" 0 18 (mouse-face highlight help-echo "Clickme!" :nt-vfeed "immortal" :nt-feed nil :nt-id nil keymap (keymap (13 . newsticker-treeview-tree-do-click) (10 . newsticker-treeview-tree-do-click) (mouse-1 . newsticker-treeview-tree-click)) face newsticker-treeview-face)) :nt-vfeed "immortal" :action newsticker--treeview-list-immortal-items :nt-id "nil-1" :keep (:nt-id)) (item :tag #("Obsolete items (4)" 0 18 (mouse-face highlight help-echo "Clickme!" :nt-vfeed "obsolete" :nt-feed nil :nt-id nil keymap (keymap (13 . newsticker-treeview-tree-do-click) (10 . newsticker-treeview-tree-do-click) (mouse-1 . newsticker-treeview-tree-click)) face newsticker-treeview-new-face)) :nt-vfeed "obsolete" :action newsticker--treeview-list-obsolete-items :nt-id "nil-2" :keep (:nt-id)) (item :tag #("All items (306)" 0 15 (mouse-face highlight help-echo "Clickme!" :nt-vfeed "all" :nt-feed nil :nt-id nil keymap (keymap (13 . newsticker-treeview-tree-do-click) (10 . newsticker-treeview-tree-do-click) (mouse-1 . newsticker-treeview-tree-click)) face newsticker-treeview-new-face)) :nt-vfeed "all" :action newsticker--treeview-list-all-items :nt-id "nil-3" :keep (:nt-id)))

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds

[Ulf Jasper]

Hmmm... Please examine this in *scratch*
(progn
  (require 'tree-widget)
  (widget-create 'tree-widget
                 :tag (newsticker--treeview-propertize-tag
                       "Virtual Feeds" 0 "vfeeds")
                 :expander 'newsticker--treeview-tree-expand-status
                 :expander-p (lambda (&rest ignore) t)
                 :leaf-icon 'newsticker--tree-widget-leaf-icon
                 :nt-id "vfeeds"
                 :keep '(:nt-id)
                 :open t))
 
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Re: The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds

[Ulf Jasper]

Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:

> Ulf Jasper <ulf.jasper@web.de> writes:
>
>> Hmmm... Please examine this in *scratch*
>
> I added a `print' to the current buffer, no that the result doesn't get
> stripped...
>
> (print (progn
>          (require 'tree-widget)
>          (widget-create 'tree-widget
>                         :tag (newsticker--treeview-propertize-tag
>                               "Virtual Feeds" 0 "vfeeds")
>                         :expander 'newsticker--treeview-tree-expand-status
>                         :expander-p (lambda (&rest ignore) t)
>                         :leaf-icon 'newsticker--tree-widget-leaf-icon
>                         :nt-id "vfeeds"
>                         :keep '(:nt-id)
>                         :open t)) 
>        (current-buffer))
>
> ==> [X] Virtual Feeds
>
> (tree-widget :args nil :tag #("Virtual Feeds" 0 13 (mouse-face highlight help-echo "Clickme!" :nt-vfeed nil :nt-feed nil :nt-id "vfeeds" keymap (keymap (13 . newsticker-treeview-tree-do-click) (10 . newsticker-treeview-tree-do-click) (mouse-1 . newsticker-treeview-tree-click)) face newsticker-treeview-face)) :expander newsticker--treeview-tree-expand-status :expander-p (lambda (&rest ignore) t) :leaf-icon newsticker--tree-widget-leaf-icon :nt-id "vfeeds" :keep (:nt-id) :open t :node (item :tag #("Virtual Feeds" 0 13 (mouse-face highlight help-echo "Clickme!" :nt-vfeed nil :nt-feed nil :nt-id "vfeeds" keymap (keymap (13 . newsticker-treeview-tree-do-click) (10 . newsticker-treeview-tree-do-click) (mouse-1 . newsticker-treeview-tree-click)) face newsticker-treeview-face))) :tree-widget--node (item :tag #("Virtual Feeds" 0 13 (mouse-face highlight help-echo "Clickme!" :nt-vfeed nil :nt-feed nil :nt-id "vfeeds" keymap (keymap (13 . newsticker-treeview-tree-do-click) (10 . newsticker-treeview-tree-do-click) (mouse-1 . newsticker-treeview-tree-click)) face newsticker-treeview-face)) :parent #0 :indent 0 :from #<marker (moves after insertion) at 749 in *scratch*> :to #<marker at 763 in *scratch*>) :children nil :buttons ((tree-widget-empty-control :tag-glyph nil :parent #0 :indent 0 :button-overlay #<overlay from 745 to 749 in *scratch*> :from #<marker (moves after insertion) at 745 in *scratch*> :to #<marker at 749 in *scratch*>)) :from #<marker (moves after insertion) at 745 in *scratch*> :to #<marker at 763 in *scratch*>)
>

It seems that widget-create does not recognize :expander. Please examine
this:

(progn
  (require 'tree-widget)
  (widget-create 'tree-widget
                 :tag "blah"
                 :expander '(lambda (x) '((tree-widget :tag "x")))
                 :expander-p (lambda (&rest ignore) t)
                 :open t))

You should see                 

[-] blah
 `-[+] x          

but I guess you don't

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Re: The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds

[Tassilo Horn]

Ulf Jasper <ulf.jasper@web.de> writes:

> It seems that widget-create does not recognize :expander. Please
> examine this:
>
> (progn
>   (require 'tree-widget)
>   (widget-create 'tree-widget
>                  :tag "blah"
>                  :expander '(lambda (x) '((tree-widget :tag "x")))
>                  :expander-p (lambda (&rest ignore) t)
>                  :open t))
>
> You should see                 
>
> [-] blah
>  `-[+] x          
>
> but I guess you don't

Right, I only get

  [X] blah

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds

[Ulf Jasper]

Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:
> Ulf Jasper <ulf.jasper@web.de> writes:
>> (progn
>>   (require 'tree-widget)
>>   (widget-create 'tree-widget
>>                  :tag "blah"
>>                  :expander '(lambda (x) '((tree-widget :tag "x")))
>>                  :expander-p (lambda (&rest ignore) t)
>>                  :open t))
>>
>> You should see                 
>>
>> [-] blah
>>  `-[+] x          
>>
>> but I guess you don't
>
> Right, I only get
>
>   [X] blah

Your tree-widget is broken. Any load path shadows?

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Re: The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds

[Tassilo Horn]

Ulf Jasper <ulf.jasper@web.de> writes:

Hi Ulf,

> Your tree-widget is broken. Any load path shadows?

Oh, indeed.  The version of SLIME I have installed comes with an older
version of tree-widget.el.  I'm really sorry for the noise.

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds

[Ulf Jasper]

Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:
> Ulf Jasper <ulf.jasper@web.de> writes:
>> Your tree-widget is broken. Any load path shadows?
>
> Oh, indeed.  The version of SLIME I have installed comes with an older
> version of tree-widget.el.  I'm really sorry for the noise.

I am just wondering why you didn't find that with "emacs -Q". Are you
throwing all your packages in .../share/emacs/site-lisp?

Ulf

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Re: The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds

[Tassilo Horn]

Ulf Jasper <ulf.jasper@web.de> writes:

>> Oh, indeed.  The version of SLIME I have installed comes with an
>> older version of tree-widget.el.  I'm really sorry for the noise.
>
> I am just wondering why you didn't find that with "emacs -Q". Are you
> throwing all your packages in .../share/emacs/site-lisp?

Yes, at least all the packages I install with my distro's package
manager.  But the docs say -Q won't load the user init file and
site-start.el, so there seems to be something wrong...

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds

[Ulf Jasper]

Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:

> Ulf Jasper <ulf.jasper@web.de> writes:
>
>>> Oh, indeed.  The version of SLIME I have installed comes with an
>>> older version of tree-widget.el.  I'm really sorry for the noise.
>>
>> I am just wondering why you didn't find that with "emacs -Q". Are you
>> throwing all your packages in .../share/emacs/site-lisp?
>
> Yes, at least all the packages I install with my distro's package
> manager.  But the docs say -Q won't load the user init file and
> site-start.el, so there seems to be something wrong...

.../share/emacs/site-lisp is in the load path, even with `-Q'. One has
to keep that in mind. Which I didn't do either. ;)

Ulf

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Re: The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds

[Tassilo Horn]

Ulf Jasper <ulf.jasper@web.de> writes:

Hi Ulf,

>> Yes, at least all the packages I install with my distro's package
>> manager.  But the docs say -Q won't load the user init file and
>> site-start.el, so there seems to be something wrong...
>
> .../share/emacs/site-lisp is in the load path, even with `-Q'. One has
> to keep that in mind. Which I didn't do either. ;)

Hm, wouldn't it be sensible to remove it from `load-path' if -Q was
given?

Bye,
Tassilo

-Q / --no-site-file and site-lisp/ (was: The new newsticker doesn't show my feeds)

[Reiner Steib]

On Mon, Jun 23 2008, Tassilo Horn wrote:

> Ulf Jasper <ulf.jasper@web.de> writes:
>>> Yes, at least all the packages I install with my distro's package
>>> manager.  But the docs say -Q won't load the user init file and
>>> site-start.el, so there seems to be something wrong...
>>
>> .../share/emacs/site-lisp is in the load path, even with `-Q'. One has
>> to keep that in mind. Which I didn't do either. ;)
>
> Hm, wouldn't it be sensible to remove it from `load-path' if -Q was
> given?

I think so.  See
<http://thread.gmane.org/v9lkcq9nzu.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de>:

,----
| From: Reiner Steib
| Subject: Should -Q / --no-site-file eval `subdirs.el'?
| Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel
| Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 14:15:01 +0200
| Message-ID: <v9lkcq9nzu.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de>
|
| Hi,
|
| when running `emacs -Q', I was surprised to see site-lisp/*/ in my
| `load-path'.  Although the manual (cmdargs.texi [1]) doesn't say
| anything about `subdirs.el' (it's not mentioned in the manual at all),
| I'd expect "minimum customizations"[1] *not* to modify `load-path'.
| E.g. I have some other Gnus version installed in site-lisp.  I'd
| expect Gnus 5.11 from Emacs 22 after `M-x gnus RET', but I get the
| version from site-lisp.
`----

Richard replied:

,----
| From: Richard Stallman
| Subject: Re: Should -Q / --no-site-file eval `subdirs.el'?
| Date: 2007-08-05 20:54:34 GMT
| 
| I think it should load subdirs.el.  Hiding the packages
| available on your site is not the purpose.
`----

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Re: -Q / --no-site-file and site-lisp/

[Tassilo Horn]

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

Hi Reiner,

>>> .../share/emacs/site-lisp is in the load path, even with `-Q'. One
>>> has to keep that in mind. Which I didn't do either. ;)
>>
>> Hm, wouldn't it be sensible to remove it from `load-path' if -Q was
>> given?
>
> I think so.  See
> <http://thread.gmane.org/v9lkcq9nzu.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de>:
>
> ,----
> | From: Reiner Steib
> | Subject: Should -Q / --no-site-file eval `subdirs.el'?
> | Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel
> | Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 14:15:01 +0200
> | Message-ID: <v9lkcq9nzu.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de>
> |
> | Hi,
> |
> | when running `emacs -Q', I was surprised to see site-lisp/*/ in my
> | `load-path'.  Although the manual (cmdargs.texi [1]) doesn't say
> | anything about `subdirs.el' (it's not mentioned in the manual at
> | all), I'd expect "minimum customizations"[1] *not* to modify
> | `load-path'.  E.g. I have some other Gnus version installed in
> | site-lisp.  I'd expect Gnus 5.11 from Emacs 22 after `M-x gnus RET',
> | but I get the version from site-lisp.
> `----
>
> Richard replied:
>
> ,----
> | From: Richard Stallman
> | Subject: Re: Should -Q / --no-site-file eval `subdirs.el'?
> | Date: 2007-08-05 20:54:34 GMT
> | 
> | I think it should load subdirs.el.  Hiding the packages available on
> | your site is not the purpose.
> `----

Well, if that's Richard's opinion, that's fine.  But there should be
some option (i.e. --vanilla, -V) which is like -Q and does not load any
external packages.

We always say "give a recipe starting with emacs -Q", but that's not
sufficient if the bug is in some external package in site-lisp/.

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: -Q / --no-site-file and site-lisp/

[Lennart Borgman (gmail)]

Tassilo Horn wrote:
> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
> 
> Hi Reiner,
> 
>>>> .../share/emacs/site-lisp is in the load path, even with `-Q'. One
>>>> has to keep that in mind. Which I didn't do either. ;)
>>> Hm, wouldn't it be sensible to remove it from `load-path' if -Q was
>>> given?
>> I think so.  See
>> <http://thread.gmane.org/v9lkcq9nzu.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de>:
>>
>> ,----
>> | From: Reiner Steib
>> | Subject: Should -Q / --no-site-file eval `subdirs.el'?
>> | Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel
>> | Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 14:15:01 +0200
>> | Message-ID: <v9lkcq9nzu.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de>
>> |
>> | Hi,
>> |
>> | when running `emacs -Q', I was surprised to see site-lisp/*/ in my
>> | `load-path'.  Although the manual (cmdargs.texi [1]) doesn't say
>> | anything about `subdirs.el' (it's not mentioned in the manual at
>> | all), I'd expect "minimum customizations"[1] *not* to modify
>> | `load-path'.  E.g. I have some other Gnus version installed in
>> | site-lisp.  I'd expect Gnus 5.11 from Emacs 22 after `M-x gnus RET',
>> | but I get the version from site-lisp.
>> `----
>>
>> Richard replied:
>>
>> ,----
>> | From: Richard Stallman
>> | Subject: Re: Should -Q / --no-site-file eval `subdirs.el'?
>> | Date: 2007-08-05 20:54:34 GMT
>> | 
>> | I think it should load subdirs.el.  Hiding the packages available on
>> | your site is not the purpose.
>> `----
> 
> Well, if that's Richard's opinion, that's fine.  But there should be
> some option (i.e. --vanilla, -V) which is like -Q and does not load any
> external packages.

Do you mean "does not alter load-path" by running any site-lisp/subdirs.el?

I think that would be useful. (Maybe there could be a --no-site-dir in 
addition to -V?)

> We always say "give a recipe starting with emacs -Q", but that's not
> sufficient if the bug is in some external package in site-lisp/.
> 
> Bye,
> Tassilo
> 
> 
> 

Re: -Q / --no-site-file and site-lisp/

[Tassilo Horn]

"Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes:

Hi Lennart,

>> But there should be some option (i.e. --vanilla, -V) which is like -Q
>> and does not load any external packages.
>
> Do you mean "does not alter load-path" by running any site-lisp/subdirs.el?

I mean "does not alter load-path by NOT running any
site-lisp/subdirs.el".

> I think that would be useful. (Maybe there could be a --no-site-dir in
> addition to -V?)

If -V does not load any site-lisp/subdirs.el, what would --no-site-dir
do additionally?

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: -Q / --no-site-file and site-lisp/

[Lennart Borgman (gmail)]

Tassilo Horn wrote:
> "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> Hi Lennart,
> 
>>> But there should be some option (i.e. --vanilla, -V) which is like -Q
>>> and does not load any external packages.
>> Do you mean "does not alter load-path" by running any site-lisp/subdirs.el?
> 
> I mean "does not alter load-path by NOT running any
> site-lisp/subdirs.el".

Ehum. I guess it is my English in some way ... ;-)

>> I think that would be useful. (Maybe there could be a --no-site-dir in
>> addition to -V?)
> 
> If -V does not load any site-lisp/subdirs.el, what would --no-site-dir
> do additionally?


It would give more flexibility while searching for possible startup 
problems that depends on wrong files beeing loaded.

But maybe another option that gives even more control over this would be 
better. I have no good idea for that at the moment however.