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From: "Stefan Reichör" <xsteve@riic.at>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, xemacs-design@xemacs.org
Subject: Re: Rationale for split-string?
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 13:30:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <uvfxduzt2.fsf@riic.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87brz57at2.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:06:17 +0900")

On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Stephen J. Turnbull said:

>  What is the rationale for the specification of `split-string'?
>  
>  That is, in GNU Emacs
>  
>    ;; an often convenient abbreviation
>    (split-string "  data  ")
>  => ("data")
>  
>    ;; weird
>    (split-string "  data  " " ")
>  => ("" "data" "")
>  
>    ;; urk (think "gnumeric just-say-no.xls" "save as" "csv")
>    (split-string ",,data,," ",")
>  => ("" "data" "")
>  
>  emacs-version
>  "21.2.2"
>  
>  In XEmacs currently we get
>  
>    ;; usually (delete "" (split-string "  data  ")) should do the
>    ;; trick if you don't like this
>    (split-string "  data  ")
>  => ("" "data" "")
>  
>    ;; no less useful than what GNU Emacs returns
>    (split-string "  data  " " ")
>  => ("" "" "data" "" "")
>  
>    ;; I can't imagine wanting anything else
>    (split-string ",,data,," ",")
>  => ("" "" "data" "" "")
>  
>  For comparison, Python's `split' function behaves like XEmacs's
>  `split-string'. Perl's `split' function by default removes all
>  trailing null fields while preserving all leading null fields, but
>  when invoked "split (/pattern/, string, -1)" behaves like XEmacs's
>  `split-string'.
>  
>  I think it makes sense for GNU Emacs to adopt (return to?) the
>  simpler, more consistent behavior, rather than have XEmacs sync to
>  GNU Emacs. In particular, I think it's really unfortunate to force
>  people who want to parse csv data and the like to write their own
>  functions, while the `(delete "" (split-string ...))' idiom not
>  only seems very natural to me, but it handles the second example
>  better than GNU Emacs currently does. And while I'm sure there
>  exist applications where trimming null fields at the ends but
>  leaving them when surrounded by non-null ones make sense, I can't
>  come up with one offhand. I suspect they're less common than either
>  "remove all nulls" or "keep all nulls".
>  
>  I believe that (at least for third-party maintainers) this change
>  should cause no problems, because we have had no complaints about
>  the behavior from anyone. (We discovered the difference only when
>  Ben started a sync, and the regression test sent up flares and
>  alarums.)

I noticed the different behavior of the split-string function,
because I need to parse csv output from subversion. Now I need
different code for the two platforms.

I would welcome, if the GNU Emacs and XEmacs would have the same
split-string implementation.

Stefan.



  reply	other threads:[~2003-04-17 11:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-04-17  9:06 Rationale for split-string? Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-04-17 11:30 ` Stefan Reichör [this message]
2003-04-18  1:54   ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-18  2:59     ` Steve Youngs
2003-04-17 17:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-17 19:32   ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-18 11:50   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-04-18 14:17     ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-19  8:18       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-04-19 13:35     ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-19  4:14   ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-19  8:55     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-04-21  0:59       ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-21  1:55         ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-21 10:58         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-04-21 21:11           ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-21 23:43             ` Miles Bader
2003-04-22  3:26               ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-22  4:09                 ` Jerry James
2003-04-22  8:15                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-04-22 13:22                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-04-22 14:38                       ` Jerry James
2003-04-22 12:56                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-22 14:56                     ` Jerry James
2003-04-22 15:27                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-22 13:19                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-04-22 13:39                   ` Miles Bader
2003-04-22 13:51                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-22 16:26                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-23  1:00           ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-23  4:09             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-04-24 23:12               ` Richard Stallman
2003-05-20  1:55               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-05-22 15:00                 ` Kai Großjohann
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-05-20  3:11 Bill Wohler

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