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From: raman <raman@google.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Dmitri Paduchikh <dpaduchikh@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Brittleness of called-interactively-p
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 15:29:55 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <p91r3o514m4.fsf@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvlhelwkhx.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 12 Jul 2015 09:53:38 -0400")

Hi Stefan,

See this message on the Emacspeak mailing list:
http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~priestdo/emacspeak/2015/msg00086.html

At the time I also posted the problem report to bug-emacs.

That gives some background  on why I had to move away from called-interactive-p and
implement my own version of the ems-interactive-p check.

Here are the relevant bits from that message:

Hi,

I've used a check of the form 
(when (interactive-p) ...)
within advice forms in emacspeak to speak *if and only if* a
command is
  called  by the user -- as opposed from within other lisp
function. When we transitioned to Emacs 24, I replaced that
check with (when (called-interactively-p 'interactive) ..)
and this has again worked without any issues --- until now.

We're seeing a  problem now in ruby-mode when command
electric-newline-and-maybe-indent is invoked -- that function for
ruby-mode goes through a complex dance with smie-next-sexp.

The long and short of it is that we eventually deadlock within a
call to advice--called-interactively-skip -- the comments in
nadvice.el where that function is implemented looks pretty scary.

What emacspeak really needs is a clean way of checking whether
something is called interactively, and this is the  first time
in 20 years that the test is failing.

-- 



  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-07-18 22:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-12  5:00 Brittleness of called-interactively-p Dmitri Paduchikh
2015-07-12 13:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-07-12 15:17   ` Dmitri Paduchikh
2015-07-12 23:26     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-07-13 15:17       ` Dmitri Paduchikh
2015-07-14 23:24         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-07-16 15:57           ` raman
2015-07-16 17:36             ` Drew Adams
2015-07-16 17:58               ` T.V Raman
2015-07-17  1:55                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-07-17  4:52                   ` Dmitri Paduchikh
2015-07-17 13:36                     ` Dmitri Paduchikh
     [not found]                       ` <jwvpp3qp9dn.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
2015-07-18  5:16                         ` Dmitri Paduchikh
2015-07-17 18:15                     ` raman
2015-07-17 18:14                   ` raman
2015-07-17 19:31                     ` Drew Adams
2015-07-17 23:25                       ` raman
2015-07-18  1:47                         ` Drew Adams
2015-07-20 12:19                       ` Andreas Röhler
2015-07-16 22:55             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-07-17 18:10               ` raman
2015-07-18  0:57                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-07-18  4:39               ` Dmitri Paduchikh
2015-07-20 12:22                 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-07-20 22:23                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-06 22:30         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-06 22:33         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-07 13:35           ` Dmitri Paduchikh
2015-08-07 17:18             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-07-18 22:29   ` raman [this message]
2015-07-12 21:59 ` Richard Stallman
2015-07-13 15:17   ` Dmitri Paduchikh
2015-07-13 23:03     ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-06 22:36     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-07-17 20:35 ` Przemysław Wojnowski

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