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From: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>,
	David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Further CC-mode changes
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:31:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <n8tx46umih.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvoauf9ic0.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 16 Sep 2014 21:02:53 -0400")


>> Two separate surveys of large (>100) corporate Emacsen populations
>> taken in 2003 and 2007 showed that around 10% of users were using
>> 10-year-old or older Emacsen.

I knew this by now very tired old statement would get trotted out. :)

Obviously it doesn't matter what I think, and I don't expect it to
change anyone's opinion, but based on Stephen's response I'll stop
beating around the bush.

The point was made 6 years ago, and things certainly have not improved
since then:

http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2008/04/xemacs-is-dead-long-live-xemacs.html

   But at this point, if you're using XEmacs you're actively damaging
   not only your long-term productivity, but mine as well.

Maintaining compat code for ancient Emacs versions is a waste of
effort, and in fact makes things worse for people using modern Emacs.

https://www.openhub.net/p/emacs  4500 commits in the last year
https://www.openhub.net/p/xemacs   48 commits in the last year

Extend the sample to 5 years if you like, same result.

Throw in SXEmacs too if you like, that had 35 commits last year.

Yes, counting commits is a silly metric, but the result is the same by
any metric. Bug reports closed in the last year? ~ 0 (?) versus 1000s.
New features have been added in the last year (5 years)?
I-don't-know versus see the 4000-line NEWS file.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-09-17 18:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-02  5:26 POC: customizable cc-mode keywords Daniel Colascione
2014-05-10 23:13 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-05-11 21:13 ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-05-11 21:23   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-05-16 17:52     ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-05-16 18:06       ` Daniel Colascione
2014-05-18 21:33         ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-05-18 22:28           ` Daniel Colascione
2014-05-19  2:25             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-05-25 18:08             ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-09-08 17:28           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-11 13:55             ` Further CC-mode changes Stefan Monnier
2014-09-12 23:59               ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-09-13  1:09                 ` Ivan Andrus
2014-09-13 10:04                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-09-13  3:04                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-13 15:10                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-09-13 19:24                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-13 23:08                       ` Syntax-propertize and CC-mode [Was: Further CC-mode changes] Alan Mackenzie
2014-09-14  4:04                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-16 17:30                       ` Sync'ing cc-mode Stefan Monnier
2014-09-26 19:19                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-15 20:24                     ` Further CC-mode changes Glenn Morris
2014-09-16  3:07                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-16 13:39                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-16 14:22                         ` David Kastrup
2014-09-16 23:40                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-17  1:02                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17  1:48                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-17  5:22                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 13:00                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 18:31                               ` Glenn Morris [this message]
2014-09-17 19:12                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17  5:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17  6:54                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-17  7:20                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17  7:30                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 13:04                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 18:25                                   ` Glenn Morris
2014-09-18  5:20                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-18  9:44                             ` Emilio Lopes

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