From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Further CC-mode changes Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:31:34 -0400 Message-ID: References: <53632C6F.5070903@dancol.org> <20140511211351.GC2759@acm.acm> <536FEA43.5090402@dancol.org> <20140516175226.GB3267@acm.acm> <537653A0.2070109@dancol.org> <20140518213331.GB2577@acm.acm> <20140912235948.GA4045@acm.acm> <20140913151055.GB3431@acm.acm> <87vboo2rgk.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87wq93ve4p.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87egvb2kye.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1410978712 32133 80.91.229.3 (17 Sep 2014 18:31:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 18:31:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , David Kastrup , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 17 20:31:47 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XUK14-0004D4-MJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 20:31:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46730 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUK14-0006Nb-9W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:31:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42728) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUK10-0006NK-Av for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:31:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUK0y-0008PE-Bo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:31:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57956) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUK0y-0008OI-9L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:31:40 -0400 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUK0s-0000oG-Bo; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:31:34 -0400 X-Spook: colonel anthrax Attorney General FTS2000 plutonium Hugo X-Ran: Cs=PmGa!P^&l5hY/EITiLl6+y0ctwdpNvwqnsNIpBC}~uIY|p{Y#GW*5IRo?7M`AB5*IhB X-Hue: yellow X-Attribution: GM In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 16 Sep 2014 21:02:53 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174456 Archived-At: >> Two separate surveys of large (>100) corporate Emacsen populations >> taken in 2003 and 2007 showed that around 10% of users were using >> 10-year-old or older Emacsen. I knew this by now very tired old statement would get trotted out. :) Obviously it doesn't matter what I think, and I don't expect it to change anyone's opinion, but based on Stephen's response I'll stop beating around the bush. The point was made 6 years ago, and things certainly have not improved since then: http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2008/04/xemacs-is-dead-long-live-xemacs.html But at this point, if you're using XEmacs you're actively damaging not only your long-term productivity, but mine as well. Maintaining compat code for ancient Emacs versions is a waste of effort, and in fact makes things worse for people using modern Emacs. https://www.openhub.net/p/emacs 4500 commits in the last year https://www.openhub.net/p/xemacs 48 commits in the last year Extend the sample to 5 years if you like, same result. Throw in SXEmacs too if you like, that had 35 commits last year. Yes, counting commits is a silly metric, but the result is the same by any metric. Bug reports closed in the last year? ~ 0 (?) versus 1000s. New features have been added in the last year (5 years)? I-don't-know versus see the 4000-line NEWS file.