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From: Madhu <enometh@meer.net>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Possible minibuffer completion enhancements
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2024 08:02:48 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m35xzjwje7.fsf@leonis4.robolove.meer.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87a5ox7png.fsf@daniel-mendler.de

* Daniel Mendler  <87a5ox7png.fsf@daniel-mendler.de> :
Wrote on Mon, 22 Jan 2024 09:12:19 +0100:
> Iirc Stefan Monnier had plans to change the implementation of the
> completion machinery, rebasing it on a cl-defgeneric mechanism, where
> completion tables provide cl-defmethods. If more and more additional
> completion candidate metadata is supplied, looking into this again may
> be worthwhile.

Does this mean I have to restart emacs every time one has to undefine a
method?  elisp has already disclaimed support any form of class
redefinition.

This is a disturbing trend that has been shepherded into emacs by Eli in
other areas too.

There was a comment in another thread about how COND* was a NIH reaction
to PCASE. I haven't seen stallman's response but I think problem is that
COND* was not invented first and is a shoving down on elisp of
constructs and patterns in languages that fundamentally are hostile to
lisp, and now elisp is being dragged down the path again.


Elisp implementations of cl-defclass and cl-defgeneric are deficient in
well understood ways.  the campaign seems to drag the language of elisp
away from the freedom of lisp culture and replace that the culture with
a culture which shapes programmers who have been conditioned for a
different type of market which exploits that lack of freedom (through
derivative investments)











  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-01-24  2:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-14 17:28 Possible minibuffer completion enhancements Eshel Yaron
2024-01-15 12:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-16 13:47   ` Eshel Yaron
2024-01-16 14:10     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-17 18:57       ` Eshel Yaron
2024-01-15 21:35 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-16 13:58   ` Eshel Yaron
2024-01-16 22:44     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-17 19:17       ` Eshel Yaron
2024-01-17 21:17         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-19 12:31           ` Eshel Yaron
2024-01-21  9:03             ` Eshel Yaron
2024-01-21 11:04               ` Daniel Mendler via Emacs development discussions.
2024-01-21 14:49                 ` Eshel Yaron
2024-01-22  7:50               ` Juri Linkov
2024-01-22  8:12                 ` Daniel Mendler via Emacs development discussions.
2024-01-22 12:18                   ` Eshel Yaron
2024-01-22 12:35                     ` Eshel Yaron
2024-01-23  8:08                       ` Daniel Mendler via Emacs development discussions.
2024-01-22 20:31                     ` Daniel Mendler via Emacs development discussions.
2024-01-23  7:04                       ` Eshel Yaron
2024-01-23  8:00                         ` Daniel Mendler via Emacs development discussions.
2024-01-23 16:23                           ` Eshel Yaron
2024-01-23 18:32                             ` Daniel Mendler via Emacs development discussions.
2024-01-24  2:32                   ` Madhu [this message]
2024-01-22 21:11               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-01-23  7:33                 ` Eshel Yaron

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