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From: joaotavora@gmail.com (João Távora)
To: John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com>
Cc: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>,
	Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>,
	Oleh Krehel <ohwoeowho@gmail.com>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: use-package.el -> Emacs core
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 21:00:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2si4dy3ga.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2wptp3acg.fsf@Vulcan.attlocal.net> (John Wiegley's message of "Tue, 10 Nov 2015 11:47:43 -0800")

John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com> writes:

>>    (package-install 'markdown-mode)
>>    (with-eval-after-load 'markdown-mode
>>      (modify-syntax-entry ?` "\"" markdown-mode-syntax-table))
>
> To match those semantics, you'd use:
>
>     (use-package markdown-mode
>       :ensure t
>       :config (modify-syntax-entry ?` "\"" markdown-mode-syntax-table))

OK, so we would agree that in this particular example it doesn't bring a
great advantage, if any. Perhaps you could provide another example where
you definitely think it does.

>> I don't think you understood. I don't mean bugs in `use-package', I mean bug
>> reports in my extensions that are reported in terms of `use-package'. Should
>> I not handle those bugs?
>
> Ah. Does it help that you can macro-expand use-package forms, so that you see
> what the underlying Emacs Lisp calls? I try hard to make the expanded code
> "look like what you'd write", as much as possible.

That's what I would do yes. But then I have to have a running emacs with
`use-package' myself, right? I've seen some macroexpansions of it
somewhere in this thread and it's not particularly pretty (also not
particularly correct apparently: see my criticism of the use of fboundp
and autoload, for example).

But I can't resist pointing out a certain irony in your argument: if
use-package is not hiding any ugly implementation details, there's
really no use for it :-).

For contrast, and quite a scare, see the macroexpansions of
`define-minor-mode` or `define-globalized-minor-mode'. yucky.

On the other hand, I have to admit that by participanting in this
discussion I ended up probably learning more than enough of the
use-package minilanguage to handle such a bug report.

So I don't know. Count me in the "initially against, but now doesn't
care" category and let the masses decide :-)

João



  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-10 21:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-10  0:02 use-package.el -> Emacs core John Wiegley
2015-11-10  0:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10  0:31   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10  0:40     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10  7:55     ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 11:52       ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-10 12:10         ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 12:23           ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-10 12:40             ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 12:47               ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-10 15:15                 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 15:42                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-10 15:56                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-11  0:37                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11  0:56                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-10 15:55                   ` João Távora
2015-11-10 16:08                     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 16:23                   ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 14:03               ` David Kastrup
2015-11-10 14:15                 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 14:22                 ` João Távora
2015-11-10 15:17                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 15:46                     ` João Távora
2015-11-10 18:15                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 19:32                         ` João Távora
2015-11-10 19:47                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 21:00                             ` João Távora [this message]
2015-11-10 15:56                     ` Kaushal Modi
2015-11-10 18:20                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:32                         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 18:38                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:52                             ` Kaushal Modi
2015-11-10 18:55                               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 19:24                             ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 19:35                               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:42                                 ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 12:42             ` Kaushal Modi
2015-11-10 12:46           ` David Kastrup
2015-11-10 13:06             ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 18:15               ` Evgeny Panasyuk
2015-11-10 18:31                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-10 13:32             ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-10 15:08               ` Customize is only for newbies? [was: use-package.el -> Emacs core] Drew Adams
2015-11-11  0:01                 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-10 14:58           ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 15:42             ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10  8:49     ` use-package.el -> Emacs core João Távora
2015-11-10  8:57       ` Pedro Silva
2015-11-10  9:45         ` João Távora
2015-11-10 12:01           ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-10 13:37             ` João Távora
2015-11-10 14:07               ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 14:39               ` Nicolas Richard
2015-11-10 14:48                 ` João Távora
2015-11-10 15:40                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12 12:43                   ` Nicolas Richard
2015-11-10 17:36               ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-10  0:44 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-10  1:05   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10  1:24     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-10  1:37       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10  3:20         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-10  5:37           ` Kaushal Modi
2015-11-10  6:07             ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 23:27             ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 23:32               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11  9:29                 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-11 16:48                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 20:04                     ` Kaushal Modi
2015-11-11 20:10                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12  2:11                       ` Copyright assignments in Gnu Elpa (was: use-package.el -> Emacs core) Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-12  2:19                         ` Copyright assignments in Gnu Elpa John Wiegley
2015-11-12  3:50                         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-12 22:31                         ` Copyright assignments in Gnu Elpa (was: use-package.el -> Emacs core) Richard Stallman
2015-11-15 14:51                           ` Copyright assignments in Gnu Elpa Andreas Röhler
2015-11-16 19:30                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-10  1:37 ` use-package.el -> Emacs core Ted Zlatanov
2015-11-10  8:24 ` joakim
2015-11-11  0:29   ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11  0:45     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-11  9:30       ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 10:04         ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-11-11 10:20         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-10  8:44 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-11-10  9:29 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-11  0:32   ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11  0:37     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:21 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 18:34   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 19:54     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 20:09       ` Kaushal Modi
2015-11-10 20:27         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11  0:04     ` Stephen Leake
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-02-15 19:49 Toon Claes
2017-02-15 19:51 ` John Wiegley

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