From: joaotavora@gmail.com (João Távora)
To: John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com>
Cc: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>,
Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>,
Oleh Krehel <ohwoeowho@gmail.com>,
Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: use-package.el -> Emacs core
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 21:00:53 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2si4dy3ga.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2wptp3acg.fsf@Vulcan.attlocal.net> (John Wiegley's message of "Tue, 10 Nov 2015 11:47:43 -0800")
John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com> writes:
>> (package-install 'markdown-mode)
>> (with-eval-after-load 'markdown-mode
>> (modify-syntax-entry ?` "\"" markdown-mode-syntax-table))
>
> To match those semantics, you'd use:
>
> (use-package markdown-mode
> :ensure t
> :config (modify-syntax-entry ?` "\"" markdown-mode-syntax-table))
OK, so we would agree that in this particular example it doesn't bring a
great advantage, if any. Perhaps you could provide another example where
you definitely think it does.
>> I don't think you understood. I don't mean bugs in `use-package', I mean bug
>> reports in my extensions that are reported in terms of `use-package'. Should
>> I not handle those bugs?
>
> Ah. Does it help that you can macro-expand use-package forms, so that you see
> what the underlying Emacs Lisp calls? I try hard to make the expanded code
> "look like what you'd write", as much as possible.
That's what I would do yes. But then I have to have a running emacs with
`use-package' myself, right? I've seen some macroexpansions of it
somewhere in this thread and it's not particularly pretty (also not
particularly correct apparently: see my criticism of the use of fboundp
and autoload, for example).
But I can't resist pointing out a certain irony in your argument: if
use-package is not hiding any ugly implementation details, there's
really no use for it :-).
For contrast, and quite a scare, see the macroexpansions of
`define-minor-mode` or `define-globalized-minor-mode'. yucky.
On the other hand, I have to admit that by participanting in this
discussion I ended up probably learning more than enough of the
use-package minilanguage to handle such a bug report.
So I don't know. Count me in the "initially against, but now doesn't
care" category and let the masses decide :-)
João
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Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-11-10 0:02 use-package.el -> Emacs core John Wiegley
2015-11-10 0:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 0:31 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 0:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 7:55 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 11:52 ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-10 12:10 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 12:23 ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-10 12:40 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 12:47 ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-10 15:15 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 15:42 ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-10 15:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-11 0:37 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 0:56 ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-10 15:55 ` João Távora
2015-11-10 16:08 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 16:23 ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 14:03 ` David Kastrup
2015-11-10 14:15 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 14:22 ` João Távora
2015-11-10 15:17 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 15:46 ` João Távora
2015-11-10 18:15 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 19:32 ` João Távora
2015-11-10 19:47 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 21:00 ` João Távora [this message]
2015-11-10 15:56 ` Kaushal Modi
2015-11-10 18:20 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:32 ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 18:38 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:52 ` Kaushal Modi
2015-11-10 18:55 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 19:24 ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 19:35 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:42 ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 12:42 ` Kaushal Modi
2015-11-10 12:46 ` David Kastrup
2015-11-10 13:06 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 18:15 ` Evgeny Panasyuk
2015-11-10 18:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-10 13:32 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-10 15:08 ` Customize is only for newbies? [was: use-package.el -> Emacs core] Drew Adams
2015-11-11 0:01 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-10 14:58 ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 15:42 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 8:49 ` use-package.el -> Emacs core João Távora
2015-11-10 8:57 ` Pedro Silva
2015-11-10 9:45 ` João Távora
2015-11-10 12:01 ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-10 13:37 ` João Távora
2015-11-10 14:07 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 14:39 ` Nicolas Richard
2015-11-10 14:48 ` João Távora
2015-11-10 15:40 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12 12:43 ` Nicolas Richard
2015-11-10 17:36 ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-10 0:44 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-10 1:05 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 1:24 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-10 1:37 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 3:20 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-10 5:37 ` Kaushal Modi
2015-11-10 6:07 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 23:27 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 23:32 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 9:29 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-11 16:48 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 20:04 ` Kaushal Modi
2015-11-11 20:10 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12 2:11 ` Copyright assignments in Gnu Elpa (was: use-package.el -> Emacs core) Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-12 2:19 ` Copyright assignments in Gnu Elpa John Wiegley
2015-11-12 3:50 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-12 22:31 ` Copyright assignments in Gnu Elpa (was: use-package.el -> Emacs core) Richard Stallman
2015-11-15 14:51 ` Copyright assignments in Gnu Elpa Andreas Röhler
2015-11-16 19:30 ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-10 1:37 ` use-package.el -> Emacs core Ted Zlatanov
2015-11-10 8:24 ` joakim
2015-11-11 0:29 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 0:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-11 9:30 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 10:04 ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-11-11 10:20 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-10 8:44 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-11-10 9:29 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-11 0:32 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 0:37 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:21 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 18:34 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 19:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 20:09 ` Kaushal Modi
2015-11-10 20:27 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 0:04 ` Stephen Leake
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2017-02-15 19:51 ` John Wiegley
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