From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
To: Thibaut Verron <thibaut.verron@gmail.com>
Cc: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>,
caiohcs0@gmail.com, emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
rekado@elephly.net, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
ghe@sdf.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28, Re: Changes for emacs 28
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 18:01:36 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2mu1sl53z.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFsi02RK5BHzYO4Sk+Dkqjk82JW1yX=RZXrSJEbyZs9MQGJ02A@mail.gmail.com> (Thibaut Verron's message of "Mon, 14 Sep 2020 16:53:07 +0200")
>>>>> On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 16:53:07 +0200, Thibaut Verron <thibaut.verron@gmail.com> said:
Thibaut> The save button runs save-buffer, so it should DTRT already, no?
>>
>> Sorry, yes. The 'new' button forces you to choose a filename for the
>> buffer, so saving it works (that will teach me to talk about features
>> I donʼt use)
Thibaut> I think that you missed a message in the long thread.
No doubt. Itʼs a *very* long thread.
Thibaut> To clarify, currently, the "new" button is "find-file", so it does
Thibaut> expect a file name and a path.
Thibaut> The suggestion is to maybe replace it with a function creating an
Thibaut> anonymous buffer, leaving the choice of a path (if necessary) to the
Thibaut> point of saving.
Thibaut> In essence, something like
>> (defun my/new-buffer ()
>> (interactive)
>> (let ((buffer (generate-new-buffer "*unnamed*")))
>> (pop-to-buffer buffer)
>> (setq buffer-offer-save 'always)))
Oh. Is that what non-emacs-experienced users really expect?
Thibaut> Save-buffer should still work as expected, just as if you were calling
Thibaut> it from a normal non-file buffer, and so should save-some-buffers and
Thibaut> the like.
Thibaut> But kill-buffer will not offer to save, as of now, as you pointed out.
Right, so if we find a good way to fix that itʼs fine, although Iʼm
not sure whether thereʼs any good reason for us to do it other than
'other programs do it' ; the current behaviour seems consistent
enough.
>>
Thibaut> Restoring them as-is is what notepad++ does (or did when I last used it
Thibaut> 10 years ago). I personally did not like this behavior, and I didn't have
Thibaut> remotely as many open files in notepad++ as I do in a typical emacs session.
>>
>> Itʼs a behaviour thatʼs become strongly expected, mainly because
>> people have become conditioned to 'restart where I left off' behaviour
>> from web browsers, I suspect.
Thibaut> There are packages going in that direction, if you are interested, but
Thibaut> it is really a complicated matter. Anonymous user-generated buffers
Thibaut> are not the biggest problem there. Web-browsers can just reload the
Thibaut> content of most of their "buffers", that's a luxury emacs does not
Thibaut> have.
>> The toolbar does not let you create such buffers (I thought it did,
>> but it doesnʼt).
Thibaut> That illustrates how confusing the current situation is, I believe. :)
Only to people who create buffers, and then later decide whether to
put stuff in a file. Thatʼs not your typical newcomer to emacs.
Robert
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2020-09-10 23:14 ` Changes for emacs 28 Ergus
2020-09-11 1:38 ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11 6:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 13:57 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 14:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 14:24 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 14:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 16:12 ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11 16:30 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-12 18:29 ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12 20:03 ` Ergus
2020-09-12 20:08 ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11 15:16 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-11 15:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 15:36 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-11 15:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 16:20 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-11 18:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 7:37 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-14 7:53 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-14 11:54 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-14 12:15 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-14 14:35 ` Changes for emacs 28, " Robert Pluim
2020-09-14 14:53 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-14 16:01 ` Robert Pluim [this message]
2020-09-14 16:34 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-14 17:13 ` tomas
2020-09-14 13:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-14 15:12 ` Andreas Schwab
2020-09-11 6:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 10:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 10:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 10:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 10:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 11:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 11:19 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 12:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 12:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 12:19 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 12:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 12:57 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 13:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 13:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 12:15 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 21:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 21:17 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 22:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 2:01 ` Ergus
2020-09-12 12:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13 3:57 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13 9:49 ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-13 14:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 17:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13 17:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 10:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-14 3:51 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-14 17:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-14 18:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-15 4:43 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-15 11:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-16 5:05 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13 11:59 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-13 12:37 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-13 14:02 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-11 23:02 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 6:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 11:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 3:21 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12 11:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 12:42 ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 16:46 ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 12:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 3:21 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 10:59 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 11:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13 8:36 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-11 10:15 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 10:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 14:02 ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11 14:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 14:47 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 21:29 ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12 3:22 ` Ergus
2020-09-12 6:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 8:27 ` Ergus
2020-09-12 8:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 9:38 ` Ergus
2020-09-12 9:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 3:20 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12 3:28 ` Ergus
2020-09-13 4:07 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13 10:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-14 3:51 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12 14:28 ` Achilles Yuce
2020-09-12 14:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
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