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From: "Robert J. Chassell" <bob@rattlesnake.com>
Subject: Re: INFO on add-ons
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:18:28 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m17nI4C-000IeIC@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878z2fq1rz.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org)

"Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> writes

    .... AFAICT texinfo doesn't care about the textual structure of a texi document.

I think I understand what you mean.  In Texinfo, a node structure may
be any directed graph, not just a hierarchical one.

This is intended to be a feature:  you and arrange your node structure
as you wish.

It is true that most documents are written like a book with a
hierarchical structure, but they don't need to be. (However, the
various help tools, like `texinfo-all-menus-update' that I wrote all
require that the document follow a hierarchical structure since I
lacked the ability or time to do otherwise.)


As I see it, for documentation, the main problem with XML is exactly
the same as the problem with LaTeX or HTML:  most writers want to
write for a single output format, and they pick one that does not
convert readily to other output formats.

Consequently, they write documents that do poorly when you are
connected over a slow line (as still happens to me at intervals), or
when you must work eyes-free (as when driving a car, or permanently
blind).

So my question to you is:  does the present Texinfo --> XML converter
produce XML that works with the tools you need?  And is there a good
XML --> Texinfo to convert the result back to Texinfo?

If so, then we would benefit from tools in Emacs that make the
conversions automatically from one to the other, that check whether
usability constraints are met by running Texinfo, that check whether
other constraints are met or that auto-generate documentation, by
running XML tools.

(Incidentally, to answer Miles' question, yes, the XML --> Texinfo
must produce `good, readable' Texinfo, since the presumption is that
other people, in addition to the author, will modify it.  Since the
Texinfo is the canonical form, it should not be `placed in a swamp'
that is hard to study or modify, like binary-only programs.)

-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-06 12:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <3D728E82.8000808@cox.net>
2002-09-01 22:16 ` INFO on add-ons Alex Schroeder
2002-09-02 23:49   ` David A. Cobb
     [not found]   ` <3D73F919.5010706@cox.net>
2002-09-03 22:56     ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-04  0:48       ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-04  1:39         ` Miles Bader
2002-09-04  4:47           ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-04  5:02             ` Miles Bader
2002-09-04  5:06               ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-04  5:14                 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-04 13:20                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-04 13:34                     ` Miles Bader
2002-09-05  4:46                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-05 12:09                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2002-09-05 14:52                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04 22:40           ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-05  2:46           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-07  7:44           ` Pavel Janík
2002-09-04  4:44         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-04 12:13         ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04  4:42       ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-02  1:08 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
     [not found] ` <87ptvxxkoj.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
2002-09-02  1:36   ` Miles Bader
     [not found]   ` <buok7m5jhpm.fsf@mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp>
2002-09-02  4:51     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
     [not found]     ` <87fzwtxad9.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
2002-09-02  5:04       ` Miles Bader
     [not found]       ` <buoelcdj82q.fsf@mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp>
2002-09-02  6:03         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-02 23:47           ` David A. Cobb
     [not found]           ` <3D73F89D.2070106@cox.net>
2002-09-03  4:16             ` "Extreme Documentation" [was: INFO on add-ons] Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-03 15:49               ` David A. Cobb
2002-09-03 19:05               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-09-04  3:51                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-04  5:58                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-09-03 13:26           ` INFO on add-ons Richard Stallman
2002-09-03 15:43             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-03 16:30               ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-03 17:33                 ` Henrik Enberg
2002-09-03 17:58                   ` Miles Bader
2002-09-03 20:54                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-03 20:54                   ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-02 23:40       ` David A. Cobb
     [not found]       ` <3D73F6D1.7010002@cox.net>
2002-09-03  4:42         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-03 15:39           ` David A. Cobb
2002-09-03 16:23             ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-03 22:23               ` David A. Cobb
2002-09-04  1:18               ` Miles Bader
2002-09-04  3:39                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-04  3:46                   ` Miles Bader
2002-09-04  7:23                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-05  2:17                       ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-09-04 14:38                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04 17:42                     ` Ville Skyttä
2002-09-04 22:14                       ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05  2:53                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-05 13:37                       ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-06  2:40                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-06 12:18                           ` Robert J. Chassell [this message]
2002-09-06 13:30                             ` Miles Bader
2002-09-06 20:03                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-05 13:54                       ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05 20:16                         ` Ville Skyttä
2002-09-04 15:49                   ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-04 17:12                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04 18:22                     ` Ville Skyttä
2002-09-05  1:48                       ` Miles Bader
2002-09-05  2:32                         ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-09-05  4:51                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-05  6:00                             ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-09-05 13:25                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05  4:48                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-05  4:22                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-05 18:02                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-06  1:19                       ` Miles Bader
2002-09-06 20:03                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-04  4:44                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-04 12:29                 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05  2:46                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-02 23:22   ` David A. Cobb
2002-09-02 14:53 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-02 23:59   ` David A. Cobb
2002-09-01 22:02 David A. Cobb

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