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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org>
Cc: Timothy <tecosaur@gmail.com>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs Survey 2022 - design
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 18:21:01 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvv8u37qki.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tu9oylo4.fsf@gnu.org> (Tassilo Horn's message of "Tue, 17 May 2022 21:52:52 +0200")

>> `use-package` looks out of place, since I don't think it offers any
>> facilities to download/install/update/uninstall packages.
> Really?  (use-package foobar :ensure t) will download and install the
> foobar package.  If it does that itself or tells package.el to do it
> doesn't really matter.

AFAIK it uses package.el for that, tho IIUC `straight.el` hooks into it
so that it installs via `straight.el` for those who use that.

In both cases, `use-package` delegates the job to an actual
package manager rather than being a package manager itself.

> FWIW, I'd select use-package in that question + package.el (for
> deletion) and auto-package-update (missing!) for updates without having
> to manually go through the *Packages* buffer.

Then maybe we should distinguish between the "backend" (package.el here)
and the UI layer on top of it (use-package, list-packages,
auto-package-update, ...)?


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-17 22:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-17 14:51 Emacs Survey 2022 - design Timothy
2022-05-17 15:38 ` Visuwesh
2022-05-19 14:36   ` Timothy
2022-05-17 18:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-17 19:52   ` Tassilo Horn
2022-05-17 22:21     ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2022-05-18  4:49       ` Tassilo Horn
2022-05-18 12:43         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-18 18:47           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-19 14:39   ` Timothy
2022-05-17 18:59 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-19 14:54   ` Timothy
2022-05-19 16:11     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-20  8:11   ` sr
2022-05-20 23:53     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-17 19:43 ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-19 15:13   ` Timothy
2022-05-17 22:16 ` Howard Melman
2022-05-17 22:21 ` Howard Melman
2022-05-17 22:44 ` Will Mengarini
2022-05-17 23:00   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-18  0:15     ` Corwin Brust
2022-05-18  7:13       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-19 15:51         ` Timothy
2022-05-19 15:54     ` Timothy
2022-05-19 17:37       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-10 17:48         ` Gregor Zattler
2022-05-18  4:39   ` Visuwesh
2022-05-19 15:48     ` Timothy
2022-05-19 15:18   ` Timothy
2022-05-18 11:19 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-05-18 18:46   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-19 15:30   ` Timothy
2022-05-18 12:47 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-05-19 15:26   ` Timothy
2022-05-18 22:19 ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-19 15:38   ` Timothy
2022-05-21 22:46     ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-18 22:20 ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-19 15:41   ` Timothy
2022-05-21 22:46     ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-22 11:32       ` Akib Azmain Turja
2022-05-22 12:03         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-19  5:22 ` Mike Kupfer
2022-05-19 15:44   ` Timothy
2022-05-19 16:17     ` Mike Kupfer
2022-05-19 16:01 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2022-05-23  7:16 ` Emacs Survey 2022 - 1st question Jean Louis
2022-05-23 17:14   ` Timothy
2022-05-23  7:18 ` Emacs Survey 2022 - 2nd question Jean Louis
2022-05-23 17:17   ` Timothy
2022-05-24  0:21     ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-23  7:19 ` Emacs Survey 2022 - 3rd question Jean Louis
2022-05-23  7:24 ` Emacs Survey 2022 - which editor question Jean Louis
2022-05-23  8:04   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-23  8:14     ` Jean Louis
2022-05-23 17:29   ` Timothy
2022-05-23  7:27 ` Emacs Survey 2022 - how you were introduced to Emacs Jean Louis
2022-05-23 17:18   ` Timothy
2022-05-23 18:43     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-23 18:54       ` Timothy
2022-05-23  7:31 ` Emacs Survey 2022 - what features? Jean Louis
2022-05-23 17:19   ` Timothy
2022-05-23  7:36 ` Emacs Survey 2022 - email client Jean Louis
2022-05-23 17:23   ` Timothy
2022-05-23  7:40 ` Emacs Survey 2022 - nationality Jean Louis
2022-05-23  8:35   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-05-23  7:43 ` Emacs Survey 2022 - industry Jean Louis
2022-05-23 17:25   ` Timothy
2022-05-23 20:36     ` John ff
2022-05-23  7:45 ` Emacs Survey 2022 - how did you fid out about survey Jean Louis
2022-05-23 17:28   ` Timothy
2022-05-23 18:40     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-23  8:46 ` Emacs Survey 2022 - design Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02  8:30 ` Timothy
2022-10-02 16:06   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-04  1:00     ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-04  7:00       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-04  7:53         ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-04  8:00   ` Akib Azmain Turja
2022-10-04  8:38     ` Po Lu
2022-10-04  9:37     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-05 16:48   ` Philip Kaludercic
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-05-22  8:38 Johan Myréen
2022-05-22 13:03 ` Stefan Monnier

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