From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 23:09:15 -0400 [thread overview] Message-ID: <jwvh8h2ddfh.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw) In-Reply-To: <87in1jt4ll.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Wed, 31 Oct 2018 00:08:38 +0100") >> LGTM, thanks. We could maybe give a hint about why, e.g. saying that >> there are no guarantees about the order and number of times they are run. > Are these the only restrictions? I think so, yes. > Are there even cases where side effects can still be relied on - > e.g. in > > #+begin_src emacs-lisp > (pcase EXPR > ((and P1 (guard (prog1 t (setq x 15))) P2) BODY1) > ...) > #+end_src > > is it legitimate to assume that x has been set to 15 if BODY1 is > evaluated (and P1 and P2 don't touch x)? Yes: pcase doesn't look inside the `guard`s so in order to get to BODY1 it had to evaluate `(prog1 t (setq x 15))` at some point. But some of the preds and guards of other branches (both before and after the one of BODY1) may also be run before getting to BODY1. Stefan
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2015-12-16 20:26 The poor state of documentation of pcase like things Alan Mackenzie
2015-12-16 20:53 ` Kaushal Modi
2015-12-17 16:34 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-17 19:22 ` Kaushal Modi
2015-12-17 21:16 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-17 21:56 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-17 22:22 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-18 7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-18 9:12 ` Rasmus
2015-12-18 9:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-18 9:57 ` Rasmus
2015-12-18 10:13 ` David Kastrup
2015-12-18 10:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-18 16:44 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-18 17:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-18 17:24 ` David Kastrup
2015-12-18 18:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 11:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 11:39 ` David Kastrup
2015-12-19 12:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 20:35 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-19 20:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 22:23 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-20 3:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-20 22:54 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-20 14:16 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-18 12:23 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-12-18 10:30 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-18 12:21 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-12-22 5:20 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-17 21:26 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-12-17 23:34 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-18 7:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 15:31 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-22 5:25 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-22 13:16 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-18 0:42 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-18 4:07 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-18 10:39 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-19 15:14 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 19:23 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-19 21:09 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 21:57 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-20 5:13 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-20 9:25 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-21 5:04 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-21 10:15 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-22 5:18 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-20 13:45 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-20 13:33 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-20 18:51 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-24 17:46 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-24 17:51 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-24 19:10 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 19:24 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-18 8:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 15:18 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-22 5:22 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-19 15:55 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 17:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 17:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 21:03 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 17:40 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-22 5:21 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-19 15:44 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 17:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 20:58 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-22 5:28 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-19 20:31 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-19 21:16 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 22:11 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-20 12:45 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-24 5:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-24 6:15 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-25 5:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-25 14:59 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-25 16:55 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-26 6:13 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-26 17:10 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-26 20:52 ` Aaron Ecay
2015-12-26 23:17 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-01 7:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-01 17:46 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-01 18:39 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-01 19:05 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-01-02 8:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-02 8:35 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-03 0:19 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 2:47 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-03 3:21 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 3:46 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-03 5:17 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 3:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-03 4:21 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 9:13 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-03 16:52 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-01-04 1:28 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 15:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-04 2:05 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 9:03 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-04 2:08 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-04 22:05 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-03 0:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-03 1:07 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-03 1:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-03 2:49 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-03 10:49 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-03 1:32 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 2:48 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-03 3:11 ` Noam Postavsky
2016-01-03 3:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-03 3:55 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-03 3:45 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-03 3:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2016-01-03 15:52 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-03 15:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-03 17:15 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-03 17:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-03 18:17 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-04 2:34 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-04 6:19 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-04 22:07 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-04 15:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-23 13:04 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources (was: The poor state of documentation of pcase like things.) Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-23 14:43 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-23 14:46 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-23 14:57 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-23 15:16 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-23 15:07 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-10-23 15:24 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-23 15:31 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-10-24 13:15 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-23 15:17 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources (was: The poor state of documentation of pcase like things.) Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-23 17:14 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Stefan Monnier
2018-10-23 17:24 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-23 18:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-23 19:52 ` pcase vs. case (where it could also be used) [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-23 20:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-23 22:24 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-24 15:03 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 15:30 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-24 15:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 15:48 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-24 17:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 17:55 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-24 18:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 18:47 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-27 15:19 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-27 16:56 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-27 22:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-28 0:21 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-28 2:07 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-28 2:44 ` pcase ` meaning [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-28 4:45 ` How other pattern-matching lisps do [Was: Re: pcase ` meaning [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources]] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-28 13:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-28 17:57 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-28 23:16 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-28 22:54 ` pcase ` meaning [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-28 23:09 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-28 23:57 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-29 10:22 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-29 21:33 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-29 23:00 ` pcase ` meaning Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-29 23:57 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 0:17 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 1:40 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 16:05 ` Yuri Khan
2018-10-29 17:26 ` pcase ` meaning [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-30 0:27 ` pcase ` meaning Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 13:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 23:13 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-11-01 13:22 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-11-01 14:11 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-29 3:26 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-29 21:46 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 0:36 ` What `case' have done you? [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 1:45 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 6:31 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 15:47 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 22:09 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-31 15:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 19:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 20:31 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-31 23:33 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-31 23:44 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-31 23:58 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-01 4:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-01 12:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-01 14:14 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-01 14:18 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-11-01 14:20 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-05 1:43 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-05 1:46 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-05 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-06 1:04 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-25 20:36 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-25 20:42 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-11-25 21:46 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-26 3:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-26 20:57 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-26 22:05 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-11-27 5:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 15:47 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-24 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 19:00 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-24 19:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 16:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-24 20:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-25 7:17 ` Stephen Berman
2018-10-25 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-25 15:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-26 15:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-27 17:48 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-24 4:51 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-24 8:34 ` Joost Kremers
2018-10-24 12:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-24 13:08 ` Daniel Pittman
2018-10-24 14:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-24 13:03 ` pcase pattern syntax (was: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources) Stefan Monnier
2018-10-26 7:16 ` Joost Kremers
2018-10-24 10:16 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources João Távora
2018-10-24 13:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-25 3:11 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-25 12:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-25 23:53 ` Andy Moreton
2018-10-26 14:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-26 15:44 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-27 12:09 ` Andy Moreton
2018-10-28 21:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-29 13:01 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-29 13:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-29 13:47 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-29 21:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-29 21:53 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-29 23:12 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-10-29 23:18 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-10-30 0:50 ` `pcase'/`case' implementation [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 13:07 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 23:30 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-11-01 0:16 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 12:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 17:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 19:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 19:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 20:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 15:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 19:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-01 1:40 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-11-01 4:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-01 5:21 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-11-01 18:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-01 19:35 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-11-01 19:49 ` TEIRLLM
2018-11-03 2:53 ` Richard Stallman
2018-11-04 11:35 ` Nix
2018-11-04 12:40 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-11-01 19:51 ` TEIRLLM
2018-11-01 20:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 20:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-30 20:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 13:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-31 13:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 15:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 16:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-31 16:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 16:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-31 16:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-31 16:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 16:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-31 16:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 18:55 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-31 19:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 19:50 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-31 20:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 20:41 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-01 4:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 20:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 20:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 17:48 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-31 18:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 18:28 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-31 18:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 19:00 ` Yuri Khan
2018-10-31 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-01 0:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-31 19:21 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-31 19:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 19:31 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-31 20:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-01 0:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-11-01 1:31 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-31 20:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-01 0:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-11-01 1:34 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-11-03 13:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 1:15 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 6:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 12:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 12:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 15:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 17:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 17:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 17:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 18:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 18:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 12:08 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-31 12:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 15:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 16:07 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-31 16:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-01 8:36 ` Achim Gratz
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2018-11-01 12:29 ` Achim Gratz
2018-11-01 14:19 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-03 13:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-03 15:45 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-03 16:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-03 17:12 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-03 17:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-03 22:22 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-04 14:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-06 0:00 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-06 3:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-03 13:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 18:24 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-30 14:16 ` Andy Moreton
2018-10-30 15:05 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-30 18:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-30 19:56 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-31 0:08 ` Andy Moreton
2018-10-31 3:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 16:23 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-11-01 14:44 ` Andy Moreton
2018-11-01 15:28 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-30 17:22 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 17:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 23:08 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-31 3:09 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2018-11-05 2:01 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-05 4:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-05 23:06 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 18:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-30 18:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 19:00 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-31 0:21 ` Andy Moreton
2018-10-29 14:47 ` Andy Moreton
2018-10-29 18:49 ` pcase-lambda usage [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 23:34 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Van L
2018-10-31 3:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-23 17:22 ` John Wiegley
2018-10-23 17:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-04 2:54 ` The poor state of documentation of pcase like things Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-02 1:15 ` Richard Copley
2016-01-02 3:50 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-02 3:51 ` Drew Adams
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2016-01-01 15:18 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27 2:53 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-16 21:01 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-17 13:59 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-17 17:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-12-19 15:26 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 16:04 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 19:29 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-19 21:14 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 22:06 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-19 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 17:24 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-22 5:25 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-19 18:30 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-12-19 20:42 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 22:25 ` Alan Mackenzie
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