From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: The poor state of documentation of pcase like things.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:21:25 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8360zwxgbu.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871tak15pb.fsf@gmx.us> (message from Rasmus on Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:12:00 +0100)
> From: Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us>
> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:12:00 +0100
>
> > IMO, that's largely a waste of your time and energy: the manual is
> > rarely if ever read in its entirety, or even in large portions. Most
> > of its uses is to quickly find the subject whose description you need,
> > hopefully by using the Info-index command ("i TOPIC RET"), and read
> > that and perhaps some of the cross-references there. With this use
> > case, the level on which a description is found is irrelevant.
>
> But by lifting it, it would appear more prominently in the TOC.
Only in the printed book, maybe. The TOC of the Info manual is flat:
all the nodes appear on the same level. Are printed or PDF manuals
being used a lot these days, in preference to the Info manual?
Besides, did you ever see anyone read the TOC of a large manual? I
didn't. I guess someone might do that, but I cannot imagine this
being a frequent use case.
Once again, I won't object to such a change, I just think there are
lots and lots of much more important things that can and should be
done in Emacs development, even in the documentation area. I'd love
to see the available scarce resource we have applied in those more
important areas, if possible.
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2015-12-16 20:26 The poor state of documentation of pcase like things Alan Mackenzie
2015-12-16 20:53 ` Kaushal Modi
2015-12-17 16:34 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-17 19:22 ` Kaushal Modi
2015-12-17 21:16 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-17 21:56 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-17 22:22 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-18 7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-18 9:12 ` Rasmus
2015-12-18 9:21 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-12-18 9:57 ` Rasmus
2015-12-18 10:13 ` David Kastrup
2015-12-18 10:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-18 16:44 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-18 17:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-18 17:24 ` David Kastrup
2015-12-18 18:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 11:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 11:39 ` David Kastrup
2015-12-19 12:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 20:35 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-19 20:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 22:23 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-20 3:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-20 22:54 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-20 14:16 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-18 12:23 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-12-18 10:30 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-18 12:21 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-12-22 5:20 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-17 21:26 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-12-17 23:34 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-18 7:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 15:31 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-22 5:25 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-22 13:16 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-18 0:42 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-18 4:07 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-18 10:39 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-19 15:14 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 19:23 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-19 21:09 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 21:57 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-20 5:13 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-20 9:25 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-21 5:04 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-21 10:15 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-22 5:18 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-20 13:45 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-20 13:33 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-20 18:51 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-24 17:46 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-24 17:51 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-24 19:10 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 19:24 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-18 8:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 15:18 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-22 5:22 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-19 15:55 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 17:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 17:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 21:03 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 17:40 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-22 5:21 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-19 15:44 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 17:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 20:58 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-22 5:28 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-19 20:31 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-19 21:16 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 22:11 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-20 12:45 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-24 5:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-24 6:15 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-25 5:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-25 14:59 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-25 16:55 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-26 6:13 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-26 17:10 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-26 20:52 ` Aaron Ecay
2015-12-26 23:17 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-01 7:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-01 17:46 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-01 18:39 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-01 19:05 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-01-02 8:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-02 8:35 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-03 0:19 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 2:47 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-03 3:21 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 3:46 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-03 5:17 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 3:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-03 4:21 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 9:13 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-03 16:52 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-01-04 1:28 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 15:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-04 2:05 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 9:03 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-04 2:08 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-04 22:05 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-03 0:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-03 1:07 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-03 1:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-03 2:49 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-03 10:49 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-03 1:32 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-03 2:48 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-03 3:11 ` Noam Postavsky
2016-01-03 3:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-03 3:55 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-03 3:45 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-03 3:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2016-01-03 15:52 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-03 15:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-03 17:15 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-03 17:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-03 18:17 ` David Kastrup
2016-01-04 2:34 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-04 6:19 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-04 22:07 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-04 15:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-23 13:04 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources (was: The poor state of documentation of pcase like things.) Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-23 14:43 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-23 14:46 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-23 14:57 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-23 15:16 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-23 15:07 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-10-23 15:24 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-23 15:31 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-10-24 13:15 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-23 15:17 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources (was: The poor state of documentation of pcase like things.) Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-23 17:14 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Stefan Monnier
2018-10-23 17:24 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-23 18:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-23 19:52 ` pcase vs. case (where it could also be used) [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-23 20:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-23 22:24 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-24 15:03 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 15:30 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-24 15:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 15:48 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-24 17:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 17:55 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-24 18:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 18:47 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-27 15:19 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-27 16:56 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-27 22:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-28 0:21 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-28 2:07 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-28 2:44 ` pcase ` meaning [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-28 4:45 ` How other pattern-matching lisps do [Was: Re: pcase ` meaning [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources]] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-28 13:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-28 17:57 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-28 23:16 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-28 22:54 ` pcase ` meaning [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-28 23:09 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-28 23:57 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-29 10:22 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-29 21:33 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-29 23:00 ` pcase ` meaning Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-29 23:57 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 0:17 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 1:40 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 16:05 ` Yuri Khan
2018-10-29 17:26 ` pcase ` meaning [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-30 0:27 ` pcase ` meaning Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 13:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 23:13 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-11-01 13:22 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-11-01 14:11 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-29 3:26 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-29 21:46 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 0:36 ` What `case' have done you? [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 1:45 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 6:31 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 15:47 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 22:09 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-31 15:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 19:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 20:31 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-31 23:33 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-31 23:44 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-31 23:58 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-01 4:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-01 12:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-01 14:14 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-01 14:18 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-11-01 14:20 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-05 1:43 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-05 1:46 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-05 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-06 1:04 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-25 20:36 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-25 20:42 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-11-25 21:46 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-26 3:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-26 20:57 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-26 22:05 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-11-27 5:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 15:47 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-24 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 19:00 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-24 19:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-24 16:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-24 20:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-25 7:17 ` Stephen Berman
2018-10-25 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-25 15:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-26 15:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-27 17:48 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-24 4:51 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-24 8:34 ` Joost Kremers
2018-10-24 12:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-24 13:08 ` Daniel Pittman
2018-10-24 14:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-24 13:03 ` pcase pattern syntax (was: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources) Stefan Monnier
2018-10-26 7:16 ` Joost Kremers
2018-10-24 10:16 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources João Távora
2018-10-24 13:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-25 3:11 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-25 12:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-25 23:53 ` Andy Moreton
2018-10-26 14:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-26 15:44 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-27 12:09 ` Andy Moreton
2018-10-28 21:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-29 13:01 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-29 13:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-29 13:47 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-29 21:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-29 21:53 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-29 23:12 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-10-29 23:18 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-10-30 0:50 ` `pcase'/`case' implementation [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 13:07 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 23:30 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-11-01 0:16 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 12:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 17:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 19:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 19:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 20:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 15:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 19:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-01 1:40 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-11-01 4:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-01 5:21 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-11-01 18:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-01 19:35 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-11-01 19:49 ` TEIRLLM
2018-11-03 2:53 ` Richard Stallman
2018-11-04 11:35 ` Nix
2018-11-04 12:40 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-11-01 19:51 ` TEIRLLM
2018-11-01 20:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 20:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-30 20:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 13:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-31 13:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 15:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 16:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-31 16:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 16:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-31 16:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-31 16:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 16:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-31 16:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 18:55 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-31 19:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 19:50 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-31 20:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 20:41 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-01 4:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 20:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 20:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 17:48 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-31 18:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 18:28 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-31 18:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 19:00 ` Yuri Khan
2018-10-31 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-01 0:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-10-31 19:21 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-31 19:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 19:31 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-31 20:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-01 0:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-11-01 1:31 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-31 20:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-01 0:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-11-01 1:34 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-11-03 13:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 1:15 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 6:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 12:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 12:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 15:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 17:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 17:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 17:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 18:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 18:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 12:08 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-31 12:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 15:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-31 16:07 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-31 16:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-01 8:36 ` Achim Gratz
2018-11-01 10:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-01 12:29 ` Achim Gratz
2018-11-01 14:19 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-03 13:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-03 15:45 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-03 16:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-03 17:12 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-03 17:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-03 22:22 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-04 14:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-06 0:00 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-06 3:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-03 13:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30 18:24 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-30 14:16 ` Andy Moreton
2018-10-30 15:05 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-30 18:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-30 19:56 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-31 0:08 ` Andy Moreton
2018-10-31 3:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-31 16:23 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-11-01 14:44 ` Andy Moreton
2018-11-01 15:28 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-10-30 17:22 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 17:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 23:08 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-31 3:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-05 2:01 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-11-05 4:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-05 23:06 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-10-30 18:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-30 18:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-30 19:00 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-31 0:21 ` Andy Moreton
2018-10-29 14:47 ` Andy Moreton
2018-10-29 18:49 ` pcase-lambda usage [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources] Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-30 23:34 ` Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources Van L
2018-10-31 3:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-23 17:22 ` John Wiegley
2018-10-23 17:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-04 2:54 ` The poor state of documentation of pcase like things Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-02 1:15 ` Richard Copley
2016-01-02 3:50 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-02 3:51 ` Drew Adams
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2016-01-01 15:18 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27 2:53 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-16 21:01 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-17 13:59 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-17 17:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-12-19 15:26 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 16:04 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 19:29 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-19 21:14 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 22:06 ` Phillip Lord
2015-12-19 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-19 17:24 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-22 5:25 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-19 18:30 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-12-19 20:42 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-12-19 22:25 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-12-20 13:11 ` Michael Heerdegen
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