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From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 14:08:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e01f8772-7795-623f-b0b9-2abef93cb477@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87czz8n1gk.fsf@gnus.org>

On 17.12.2020 12:58, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:
> 
>>> I mean, look at the toolbar that happens when you "emacs -Q": You get an
>>> Emacs with a scratch buffer...  with a "Save" icon.  In a buffer that
>>> can't be saved.  That's how much attention we've spent on toolbars in
>>> two decades.
>>
>> Well, it actually can be saved, as soon as you type something (C-x C-s
>> works), and it's one of the real usage patterns. The button doesn't
>> indicate that, though.
> 
> Yeah, the save button stays grayed out and you can't click it, which I
> take to be an indication that this toolbar hasn't gotten a lot of love.

It's not obvious how to fix it, though, because an active "save" button 
is like a reminder to save regularly, whereas saving the scratch is an 
explicit, advanced usage pattern.

> I mean, it's the toolbar shown in "emacs -Q", and even that one is
> pretty nonsensical.

I guess I was somewhat attached to the idea of it because it looks 
pretty and neat on my system (with -Q).

Definitely more so than the splash screen, the discussions about 
improving which have all seemingly fizzled out.

>> Maybe you're right. I checked back, and most contemporary text editors
>> don't have a toolbar like we do.
>>
>> Atom/Sublime/VS Code don't have this kind of editor toolbar. IDEA only
>> has specialized toolbars for, like, debugging.
>>
>> The recent versions of Kate (KDE editor) also seem to have removed
>> it. GNOME Builder only has a small number of buttons, and they are on
>> the title bar. Geany still has a toolbar, though.
>>
>> Even MS Word, while it has a toolbar for certain features, has moved
>> the basic edit buttons to the window titlebar and made them pretty
>> small.
> 
> I think we should consider setting some standards for what should be in
> a toolbar, and normal editing commands shouldn't be there.  That is, a
> toolbar should be for things that people want to click a lot, like
> "pause" in a media player, or navigation commands like "prev/next" in
> *Help*.

Yes, probably. And if there are not enough of such buttons that we can 
come up with, the toolbar should be hidden for that particular mode.

But... can it work well? Showing the toolbar in some modes yet hiding it 
in others? Jumping window heights are a known source of annoyance.

All the editors I mentioned above that do have toolbars have avoided 
this problem, some way or another.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-12-17 12:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 384+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-15  5:30 Emacs Survey: Toolbars Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-15  5:57 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-15  6:24   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-15 10:01   ` Jean Louis
2020-12-15  6:24 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-12-15  9:04   ` Thibaut Verron
2020-12-15 19:06   ` Stephen Leake
2020-12-15 19:33     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-15 19:47     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-16  5:43       ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-16  6:08         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-15 10:00 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-15 15:49   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-16  5:44     ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-15 17:07   ` Philip K.
2020-12-15 17:30     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-15 17:40       ` Drew Adams
2020-12-15 18:06         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-16  9:07         ` Robert Pluim
2020-12-16 17:03           ` Drew Adams
2020-12-15 18:02       ` dvorak users (was: Emacs Survey: Toolbars) andrés ramírez
2020-12-15 18:40         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-17 22:23         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-12-15 14:17 ` Emacs Survey: Toolbars Eric S Fraga
2020-12-15 14:50   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-15 14:56     ` Eric S Fraga
2020-12-15 15:14     ` Óscar Fuentes
2020-12-15 15:33       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-15 17:47         ` Óscar Fuentes
2020-12-15 18:11           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-15 18:48           ` Philip K.
2020-12-15 19:02             ` Jean Louis
2020-12-15 19:21               ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-15 19:17             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-16  5:43             ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-15 18:51         ` Jean Louis
2020-12-20  4:23           ` Adrien Brochard
2020-12-20  4:35             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-20 13:44               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-12-20 20:36                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-22 10:58               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-22 12:22                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-22 14:05                   ` Jean Louis
2020-12-22 14:02                 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-23  4:26                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-23  5:22                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-23  5:30                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-20 10:57             ` Jean Louis
2020-12-20 11:13               ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-21  5:47                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-21  6:57                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-21  7:04                     ` Jean Louis
2020-12-21 16:16                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-21 16:51                         ` Jean Louis
2020-12-21 17:20                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-21 17:58                             ` Jean Louis
2020-12-21 23:29                               ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-21 18:03                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-21 18:09                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-21 18:14                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-21 23:37                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-22 15:23                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-23  1:32                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-23 15:14                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-21 23:55                           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-22 15:26                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-22 15:52                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-23  1:27                               ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-24  5:47                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-24  6:31                                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-23  4:16                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-22  5:21                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-22  6:05                       ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-22  6:06                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-24  5:49                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-24  7:04                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-24 11:21                             ` Jean Louis
2020-12-26 10:20                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26 12:44                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-27  5:42                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-22  6:31                       ` Jean Louis
2020-12-22 15:46                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-24  5:49                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-22 15:40                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-22 16:28                         ` Internationalize Emacs's messages (swahili) Jean Louis
2020-12-22 16:41                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-23 14:04                             ` Zhu Zihao
2020-12-23 16:07                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-24  1:54                                 ` Zhu Zihao
2020-12-24 14:16                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-26  2:03                                     ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-26  2:47                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-26  3:22                                         ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-26  3:48                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-26  4:01                                             ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-27  5:34                                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26  6:06                                       ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-26  8:26                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-26  8:57                                         ` tomas
2020-12-26  9:06                                         ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-26  9:24                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-26  9:28                                             ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-26  9:34                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-26  9:47                                                 ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-26  9:54                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-26 10:02                                                   ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-26 11:12                                                   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-26 11:16                                                     ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-26 11:16                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-27  5:38                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-27 17:33                                                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28  5:25                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26 21:19                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-26 21:26                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-26 21:45                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-26 21:55                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-26 22:08                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-26 22:10                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-26 23:04                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-27  0:34                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-27  8:01                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-27 18:15                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-27 22:03                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-27 22:30                                                                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-27 22:49                                                                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-12-27 22:57                                                                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-27 23:05                                                                             ` lengths and other stuff Daniel Brooks
2020-12-27 23:09                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-27 23:16                                                                                 ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-27 23:21                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-27 23:23                                                                                     ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-27 23:24                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-27 23:23                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-27 23:32                                                                                     ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-27 23:46                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-27 23:25                                                                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-27 23:35                                                                                 ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-27 23:47                                                                                   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28  0:00                                                                                     ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-27 23:34                                                                             ` Internationalize Emacs's messages (swahili) Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-12-28  0:00                                                                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28  0:16                                                                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-12-28  0:33                                                                                   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28  0:48                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-28  5:54                                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-12-28  0:52                                                                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-12-27 23:41                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2021-01-01  5:55                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2021-01-01 15:03                                                                     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-01-01 19:09                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2021-01-01 22:08                                                                         ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-01-01 22:55                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2021-01-01 23:32                                                                             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-01-02  0:25                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2020-12-27 12:56                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2020-12-27 22:05                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-27 22:16                                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2020-12-27 22:17                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-27 22:23                                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2020-12-27 22:29                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-27 22:30                                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2020-12-27 22:42                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-27 23:00                                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2020-12-27 23:05                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-27 22:45                                                                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-27 22:49                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-27 22:32                                                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-12-27 22:52                                                                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-27 23:17                                                                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-12-27 23:40                                                                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-27 23:55                                                                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-12-28  0:19                                                                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28  0:52                                                                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-12-28  7:32                                                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-12-27  3:35                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-27  3:33                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-27  5:34                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26  7:50                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-26  9:07                                         ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-26  9:31                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-26  9:37                                             ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-26  9:51                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-26 10:00                                                 ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-26  9:52                                               ` Werner LEMBERG
2020-12-26 10:10                                                 ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-26  9:59                                             ` Jean Louis
2020-12-26 10:14                                               ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-26 10:54                                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-26 11:13                                                   ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-26 10:40                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-27 16:23                                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-26 10:28                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26 10:48                                         ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-27  5:39                                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-27  8:48                                             ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-28  5:28                                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-28  6:30                                                 ` making gettext more like fluent Daniel Brooks
2020-12-29  5:57                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-29  6:49                                                     ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-30  5:30                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-28  8:05                                                 ` Internationalize Emacs's messages (swahili) Zhu Zihao
2020-12-29  6:01                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-29  7:01                                                     ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-29 11:48                                                     ` Zhu Zihao
2020-12-30  5:46                                                     ` The posibility to use Rust libraries with GNU Project softwares(e.g. link with Rust library) Zhu Zihao
2020-12-30 14:00                                                     ` Internationalize Emacs's messages (swahili) Andy Moreton
2020-12-30 19:18                                                       ` Rust trademark problems - " Jean Louis
2020-12-21 16:53                   ` Emacs Survey: Toolbars Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-21 23:43                     ` Christopher Dimech
2021-02-25 22:53                     ` Jeremy Bryant
2020-12-22 11:03                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-22 13:22                     ` Daniel Martín via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-23 15:04                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-23 15:07                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-23 17:49                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-23 16:11                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-23 16:39                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-23 17:55                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-23 19:10                         ` Daniel Martín
2020-12-23 20:55                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-25  4:29                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-25  9:48                             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-25 17:20                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-25 18:06                                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-25 18:14                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-25 18:24                                     ` Yuri Khan
2020-12-25 18:29                                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-25 20:32                                         ` Yuri Khan
2020-12-25 21:57                                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-25 20:25                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-12-25 21:59                                         ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-25 18:28                                     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-22 16:06                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-22 17:52                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-22 18:07                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-22 18:32                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-22 19:04                         ` Jean Louis
2020-12-22 19:24                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-23  4:21                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-23 11:21                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-23 12:36                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-23 15:45                             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-23 15:56                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-23 16:05                               ` Jean Louis
2020-12-24  4:40                               ` Sv: " arthur miller
2020-12-24 14:23                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-23 15:42                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-23 12:45                         ` Jean Louis
2020-12-23 13:09                           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-23 13:44                             ` Jean Louis
2020-12-24  5:50                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-24  5:57                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-24  6:31                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-12-15 20:58         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-12-15 21:22           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-15 16:12   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-16  5:44     ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-16 15:49       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-18  5:39         ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-15 14:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-15 14:48   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-25 15:50     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-25 18:17       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-25 19:03         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-25 19:16           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-25 19:27             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-25 22:24             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-26  6:52               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-26  8:44           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-26 15:51             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-26 16:27               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-27  0:28                 ` *Menu* buffer Tomas Hlavaty
2021-02-27  7:11                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-01  5:56                     ` David Masterson
2021-02-25 19:44       ` Emacs Survey: Toolbars martin rudalics
2020-12-15 16:32   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-12-15 16:34   ` Drew Adams
2020-12-15 18:44   ` Jean Louis
2020-12-15 19:03     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-15 16:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-15 16:51   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-16  9:14   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-16 16:01     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-16 16:18       ` Robert Pluim
2020-12-16 17:12         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-17  8:20           ` Robert Pluim
2020-12-17 14:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-17 15:44               ` Robert Pluim
2020-12-17 15:48                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-12-18  0:23               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-18  9:10                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-12-17 17:06             ` Drew Adams
2020-12-17 18:10               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-12-17 19:20                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-18  5:42               ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-18  6:36                 ` Drew Adams
2020-12-18  6:42                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-18  8:42                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-12-18  8:51                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-18  9:29                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-12-18 17:48                       ` Drew Adams
2020-12-18 21:14                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-18 17:43                     ` Drew Adams
2020-12-20  6:36                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-21  1:11                     ` Drew Adams
2020-12-21 10:23                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-12-18  5:42             ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-17 11:01         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-17 14:36           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-15 21:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-12-15 21:29   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-16  9:24   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-16  9:28     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-16 13:53       ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-18  5:40       ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-18  9:37         ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-18  9:38         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-19  5:11           ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-19 21:04             ` Daniel Brooks
2020-12-20  6:39               ` Richard Stallman
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2020-12-21 16:07                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-22  5:20                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-22 15:36                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-23  4:23                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-22  2:54                 ` Andy Moreton
2020-12-22 13:29                   ` Caio Henrique
2020-12-16 16:03     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-16 16:54       ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-16 17:14     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-12-16 20:09       ` John Yates
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2020-12-16 23:53           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-16 21:33         ` chad
2020-12-16 22:56           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-18  5:33             ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-18  5:53               ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-18  8:43                 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-18  8:54                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-18 10:04                     ` Jean Louis
2020-12-18 10:15                       ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-18 18:07                         ` Drew Adams
2020-12-18 20:34                           ` Jean Louis
2020-12-18 10:17                       ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-17 10:58       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-17 11:22         ` Christopher Dimech
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2020-12-17 12:12           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-17 19:32             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-17 14:32         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-18  9:37           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-18  9:45             ` Helmut Eller
2020-12-18 18:02               ` Drew Adams
2020-12-18 20:32                 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-18 11:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-19 15:41               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-19 19:12                 ` Drew Adams
2020-12-19 19:37                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-18 17:59             ` Drew Adams
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2020-12-17  6:49       ` Christopher Dimech
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2020-12-27  4:03                                                   ` Internationalize Emacs's messages (swahili) Drew Adams
2020-12-27  4:58                                                     ` lengths and stuff Daniel Brooks
2020-12-27  5:23                                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-12-27 17:56                                                         ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-27 18:52                                                           ` Drew Adams
2020-12-27 20:52                                                             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28  7:15                                                               ` Jean Louis
2020-12-28 16:44                                                                 ` Eric Abrahamsen

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