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From: Miles Bader <miles@lsi.nec.co.jp>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: kill ring menu
Date: 07 May 2002 13:18:46 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <buoelgok2u1.fsf@mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1020743734.5288.153.camel@space-ghost>

Colin Walters <walters@gnu.org> writes:
> > Perhaps in this case people see a distinction between
> > fontifying existing `text files' (like program source) and buffers that
> > are created by emacs to display some information.
> 
> I think that distinction is arbitrary; I don't see it at all. 

Perhaps so, but others do.

There (apparently) are people who (1) don't want font-locking in the
`traditional' sense, but (2) do want special buffers fontified.  I think
if you want your proposal to fly, you have to at least try to cater to
this group, in some way more convenient than making them stick calls to
`font-lock-mode' in all of their mode hooks.

> This is *exactly* the way things already work.  font-lock in this case
> just calls the `font-lock-fontify-region' function to do the
> fontification.  Thus, font-lock becomes the "user interface", as you
> say, and the mode author implements the mechanism.

Ok, then I was mistaken about how things worked -- I read Richard's
comment to mean that you were adding non-face properties to the text,
and then using the normal font-lock engine to convert these into face
properties (this the inefficiency I alluded to, not the cost of loading
font-lock.el).

> But this is a digression.  Again, my point is very simple: I think we
> should move towards making M-x font-lock-mode, as much as possible, the
> standard *interface* for enabling and disabling fontification.

Agreed, this is the major issue.

-Miles
-- 
o The existentialist, not having a pillow, goes everywhere with the book by
  Sullivan, _I am going to spit on your graves_.

  reply	other threads:[~2002-05-07  4:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-04-28 19:41 kill ring menu Colin Walters
2002-04-28 20:06 ` Colin Walters
2002-04-29  5:05   ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-29 18:40     ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-28 22:53 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-28 23:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-28 23:42   ` Miles Bader
2002-04-29  4:34   ` Colin Walters
2002-04-30  4:49     ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-29  3:35 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-29  4:37   ` Colin Walters
2002-04-29  4:56     ` Miles Bader
2002-04-29  5:37       ` Colin Walters
2002-04-29  7:09         ` Miles Bader
2002-04-30  5:18           ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-30 10:18             ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-04-29  9:22         ` CC (was: Re: kill ring menu) Per Abrahamsen
2002-04-29 15:11           ` Benjamin Rutt
2002-04-29 15:31             ` Miles Bader
2002-04-30  5:19             ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-30 10:14           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-04-30 11:08             ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-29 10:10         ` Addressing email (was: " Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-29 13:13         ` kill ring menu Stefan Monnier
2002-04-29 18:40   ` Richard Stallman
     [not found] ` <200204290505.g3T55t006146@aztec.santafe.edu>
     [not found]   ` <1020059236.31789.358.camel@space-ghost>
     [not found]     ` <200204300519.g3U5Js306727@aztec.santafe.edu>
     [not found]       ` <1020212569.27106.2246.camel@space-ghost>
     [not found]         ` <200205011926.g41JQBC07690@aztec.santafe.edu>
     [not found]           ` <1020284783.27106.3417.camel@space-ghost>
2002-05-03 18:25             ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-03 18:46               ` Miles Bader
2002-05-03 19:05               ` Miles Bader
2002-05-03 20:20                 ` Colin Walters
2002-05-04  1:34                   ` Miles Bader
2002-05-04  3:36                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-04  3:49                   ` Miles Bader
2002-05-05  5:34                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-04  6:04                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]       ` <1020320725.27616.54.camel@space-ghost>
     [not found]         ` <200205031825.g43IPuD00768@aztec.santafe.edu>
     [not found]           ` <1020502030.5286.25.camel@space-ghost>
2002-05-05 17:46             ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-06  5:15               ` Colin Walters
2002-05-06  6:39                 ` Miles Bader
2002-05-06 22:55                   ` Colin Walters
2002-05-07  1:35                     ` Miles Bader
2002-05-07  3:55                       ` Colin Walters
2002-05-07  4:18                         ` Miles Bader [this message]
2002-05-07 20:07                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-07 20:38                           ` Colin Walters
2002-05-08  0:20                             ` Miles Bader
2002-05-08  6:05                               ` Colin Walters
2002-05-08  6:50                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-05-08  7:36                                   ` Colin Walters
2002-05-08  7:48                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-05-08  8:57                                     ` Colin Walters
2002-05-08 13:14                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2002-05-09  4:29                                         ` Colin Walters
2002-05-09 10:08                                           ` Kim F. Storm
2002-05-09  2:45                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-09  4:28                               ` Colin Walters
2002-05-10  0:30                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-16 18:47                                   ` Colin Walters
2002-05-16 19:12                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-05-16 19:20                                       ` Colin Walters
2002-05-16 19:36                                         ` Miles Bader
2002-05-16 19:45                                           ` Miles Bader
2002-05-16 19:54                                           ` Colin Walters
2002-05-16 20:12                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-05-16 20:17                                       ` Colin Walters
2002-05-16 20:23                                         ` Miles Bader
2002-05-16 21:47                                           ` Colin Walters
2002-05-16 21:54                                           ` Kim F. Storm
2002-05-16 21:15                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-05-17 19:29                                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-07 19:22                     ` Alex Schroeder
2002-05-09 20:09                       ` Colin Walters
2002-05-11  6:30                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-13 22:17                         ` Colin Walters
2002-05-14  8:36                           ` Miles Bader
2002-05-14 12:49                           ` Emacs 21.4 (was: kill ring menu) Eli Zaretskii
2002-05-15  7:01                           ` kill ring menu Richard Stallman
2002-05-06  6:46                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-05-06 22:46                   ` Colin Walters
2002-05-08 10:06                     ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-05-08 10:20                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-05-06 19:32                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-07  4:03                   ` Colin Walters
2002-05-07  5:27                     ` Eli Zaretskii

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