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From: Max Mikhanosha <max.mikhanosha@protonmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Bugfix for utf-8 XTerm/MinTTY and (set-input-meta-mode t)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2021 10:21:26 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Oap83gor59WHi5Hz3HrrlWJsqrzk4NMLoRu_rjTQGgMkYngGo_2NBqoNtQwjCQNlnjTE2z9vbbfKifWcrIMSx3nbGvJciS7YLZE4yv6penQ=@protonmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvim2xjqz8.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

On Tuesday, June 1st, 2021 at 4:06 PM, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:

> > Both XTerm and MinTTY, when configured to send meta modifier as 8th
> > bit while in utf-8 mode, will first add 8th bit, and then encode
> > resulting character with utf-8. For example Meta-X is encoded
> > as ?x+128 = #248 codepoint, encoded as 0xc3,0xb8
>
> How did they end up with that weird design?

It seems to be logical extension to preserve backward compatibility as much
as possible. I mean since without UTF-8, in meta-as-8th-bit mode, Meta-x generates #248,
just having terminal in UTF-8 mode should not change that. And in UTF8, starting
sequences that have 8th bit set indicate start of the encoding, so sending 128-256
as is would be confused for UTF8 sequence by the receiver. Obvious solution would be
to just UTF-8 encode the output that non-utf-8 terminal would be sending.

> I mean they could have made meta toggle the 24th bit, for example, so it
> doesn't collide with other existing characters.

There is XTerm solution for this, called modifyOtherKey resource with new enum, which can be set
so that any modifiers even on ordinary keys like M-x would generate properly structured
ESC[ sequences describing the modifiers. I agree that in perfect world we would have come out
with some binary bitmask solution, rather than current thing where terminal can send you 20 byte
sequence for Ctrl-Alt-Shift-PageDown, but it is what it is.

> This design is quite weird since it breaks all the latin-1 chars of
> unicode plus all the uses of meta with non-ASCII chars.
>
> How do they encode M-λ ?
> Is it also sent as the same byte-sequence as `?λ + 128 = ?л` ?

Unfortunately yes, at least mintty in meta-as-8th bit mode (which is my terminal on cygwin) just
dumbly shoves 8th bit into even wide characters (like when I press Alt+letter in a cyrillic layout), but
my patch does not change that.  TBH Xterm maybe smarter, and just generates English M-x when you press
M-x when on a different keyboard layout, or you can probably make it behave like this with some xkb
config magic. Proper way to support multi-modifier key sequences is by  using modifyOtherKeys:2 but it would
need to have wider adoption than just xterm, hopefully it will percolate to other terminals just as
xterm-direct truecolor mode.

For now i'm pretty happy with meta as 8th bit mode, as it allows me to use stuff like M-C-v that is sent
as a single char (or 2 in utf8 mode), and with a bit of magic M-S-v and such work too, so all my keybindings
are exactly the same regardless if I'm in a terminal or GUI frame.




      reply	other threads:[~2021-06-02 10:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-01 16:19 Bugfix for utf-8 XTerm/MinTTY and (set-input-meta-mode t) Max Mikhanosha
2021-06-01 16:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-01 17:28   ` Max Mikhanosha
2021-06-01 17:38     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-01 18:01       ` Max Mikhanosha
2021-06-01 18:18         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-01 18:35           ` Max Mikhanosha
2021-06-01 18:46             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-02  9:22               ` Max Mikhanosha
2021-06-02 12:16                 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-06-03  5:42                   ` Max Mikhanosha
2021-06-05 14:20                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-01 17:29   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-01 17:45     ` Max Mikhanosha
2021-06-01 17:52       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-01 18:10         ` Max Mikhanosha
2021-06-01 17:04 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-06-01 17:36   ` Max Mikhanosha
2021-06-01 20:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-02 10:21   ` Max Mikhanosha [this message]

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