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From: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@surf.glug.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Possible change to startup.el
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:37:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1DGxz2-0003wE-00@surf.glug.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: message from Miles Bader on Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:40:05 +0900

   From: Miles Bader <snogglethorpe@gmail.com>
   Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:40:05 +0900

   So what exactly is that patch supposed to do?

here is a suitable ChangeLog entry:

	* startup.el (fancy-splash-text): For tutorial line, consult
	language environment and display accordingly, in format:
	TITLE, tab, EN-PREFIX*, LIST-OF-AVAILABLE-TUTORIALS.
	(fancy-splash-insert): If arg is a thunk, call it for a string.

the asterisk after EN-PREFIX means that it may be omitted if there is no
need for it.  (arguably there is no need for it in any case.)

   I'm not sure it's a good idea to take the description `first sentence
   in the tutorial' literally; a sentence may not be the best unit to
   use, as something that sounds natural when inserted into the splash
   page may look odd as a standalone first sentence in the tutorial.

in this context, i interpret sentence as "text followed by period".
something like "Emacs Tutorial." (with period), in which case TITLE is
taken to be "Emacs Tutorial" (without the period).  thus, this is not a
"normal" sentence w/ verbs and other words.  the current standalone
first sentence is normal but will need to be changed (w/ the help of
translators) from:

BLAH BLAH BLAH.  ETC ETC

to the stylized:

TITLE.  BLAH BLAH BLAH.  ETC ETC.

translators are encouraged to reduce awkwardness (w/ the advent of
TITLE) in the BLAH part, perhaps by reworking or eliminating it
entirely.

   It seem better to do as I suggested earlier, and structure it more as
   a `title' in the actual tutorial file (that is, simply the words
   "Emacs Tutorial" or equivalent, on a line by themselves, possibly
   centered on the first line, followed by a blank line).

this is the same as rms' design, except that TITLE is delimited by first
newline instead of first period.  initially, i thought newline delim was
better since it could be added simply (w/o changing current text) and,
just as simply, be removed upon presentation.  however, i suppose that
violates the "one source for data" principle, so i can see value in
using period delim and reworking the BLAH part.

thi

             reply	other threads:[~2005-03-31 11:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-31 11:37 Thien-Thi Nguyen [this message]
2005-03-31 12:05 ` Possible change to startup.el Miles Bader
2005-03-31 13:32   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2005-03-31 14:29     ` Miles Bader
2005-03-31 16:15       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2005-03-31 22:23         ` Miles Bader
2005-04-01  4:10   ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-04-03 10:31 Thien-Thi Nguyen
2005-04-07  6:55 ` Juri Linkov
2005-04-08  3:22   ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-08  6:31     ` Marcelo Toledo
2005-04-08  7:27       ` Kenichi Handa
2005-04-08 18:32       ` Juri Linkov
2005-04-08 18:43         ` Marcelo Toledo
2005-04-10  1:54         ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-08 10:44     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-04-08 18:32       ` Juri Linkov
2005-04-09  8:00         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-04-13 23:58           ` David Kastrup
2005-04-14  4:02             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-04-14  9:46               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-15  8:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-04-14 19:03             ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-14 23:40               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-17  1:49                 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-17  9:31                   ` David Kastrup
2005-04-17 19:20                     ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-17 19:51                       ` David Kastrup
2005-04-10  1:54         ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-31 12:01 Thien-Thi Nguyen
2005-03-31 12:59 ` Kim F. Storm
2005-03-31 13:43   ` David Kastrup
2005-03-31 22:19     ` Kim F. Storm
2005-04-01  4:10   ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-01  4:03 ` Juri Linkov
2005-04-03  5:20   ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-30 22:47 Thien-Thi Nguyen
2005-03-30 23:38 ` David Kastrup
2005-04-01  4:11   ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-31  1:40 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-31  1:02   ` Marcelo Toledo
2005-03-31  3:20     ` Miles Bader
2005-03-31  2:21       ` Marcelo Toledo
2005-03-31  6:59 ` Juri Linkov
2005-04-01  4:11 ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-25 18:07 Thien-Thi Nguyen
2005-03-27  3:52 ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-27 23:15   ` Juri Linkov
2005-03-28 22:53     ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-29 20:19       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2005-03-30  4:08         ` Marcelo Toledo
2005-03-30  9:42           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2005-03-24 10:49 Thien-Thi Nguyen
2005-03-24 19:05 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-25  6:43 ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-21 18:44 David Kastrup
2005-03-21 20:50 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2005-03-21 21:10   ` David Kastrup
2005-03-21 21:25     ` Andreas Schwab
2005-03-21 22:14       ` David Kastrup
2005-03-22  0:03         ` Andreas Schwab
2005-03-22  1:38         ` David Hansen
2005-03-23 18:25         ` James Cloos
2005-03-27  3:53           ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-22  4:55   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-03-22  6:24     ` Miles Bader
2005-03-22  8:15       ` Kenichi Handa
2005-03-22  8:27         ` Miles Bader
2005-03-22 10:40           ` David Kastrup
2005-03-22 12:44             ` Jason Rumney
2005-03-22 20:31             ` Werner LEMBERG
2005-03-22 11:23           ` Kenichi Handa
2005-03-22 12:33           ` Juri Linkov
2005-03-22 19:32       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-03-22 10:18     ` David Kastrup
2005-03-22 19:34       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-03-22 22:24         ` David Kastrup
2005-03-22 20:44   ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-22 22:32     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2005-03-23  6:21       ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-23 13:55         ` Juri Linkov
2005-03-23 18:01           ` Werner LEMBERG
2005-03-25 12:51             ` Kenichi Handa
2005-03-23 20:25           ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-22 13:57 ` Richard Stallman

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